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10-05-2009 , 03:40 AM
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Poker Stars $3.00+$0.40 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds + t25 - 8 players
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SB: t6580 M = 13.16
BB: t1175 M = 2.35
UTG: t2305 M = 4.61
Hero (UTG+1): t3865 M = 7.73
MP1: t2000 M = 4
MP2: t2715 M = 5.43
CO: t3840 M = 7.68
BTN: t4020 M = 8.04

Pre Flop: (t500) Hero is UTG+1 with T T
1 fold


raise 500 or ALL-IN here?
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10-05-2009 , 03:53 AM
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Raise to 500 is fine in this spot.

Why would you go all-in for 19xbb?
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10-05-2009 , 03:58 AM
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Raise to 500 is fine in this spot.

Why would you go all-in for 19xbb?
Becuase of ante and M is lower than 8 I thought...
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10-05-2009 , 04:20 AM
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I play these spots considering antes as effective blinds, so total blinds are 500, like it were 167/333 and you have 11.6BB calculating this way, so I would shove.
Is this reasoning bad?
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10-05-2009 , 05:15 AM
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When it boils down to it though, you have 19xbb either way.

I'm completely against shoving that much into a pot PF when i'm the open raiser.

What do you think you'll get called by that you're far ahead of?

All the hands that would be calling such a big shove would either have you crushed or you would be flipping.

It's not like it is 10xbb and you have donks making bad calls with k-10, A-x hands and suited high connectors.

It's 19xbb and there is no way i'm shoving there utg +1, 8 handed.
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10-05-2009 , 07:22 AM
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When it boils down to it though, you have 19xbb either way.

I'm completely against shoving that much into a pot PF when i'm the open raiser.

What do you think you'll get called by that you're far ahead of?

All the hands that would be calling such a big shove would either have you crushed or you would be flipping.

It's not like it is 10xbb and you have donks making bad calls with k-10, A-x hands and suited high connectors.

It's 19xbb and there is no way i'm shoving there utg +1, 8 handed.

How about....If it was 15.5xBB 3100 STACK M=6.2 TT UTG+1? still raise? or shove?
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10-05-2009 , 07:57 AM
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I wish people would shut up about M. It's pretty pointless in anything less than a 180 man imo. This is a 2.5x with a view to calling only mp1 and bb's shove.
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10-05-2009 , 08:18 AM
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Akagi we don't worry to much about our M in STTs just how many BBs we have.

19 bb is to much to jam this.

raise to 500 is fine and call the shorty if they shove.
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10-05-2009 , 08:23 AM
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I think what ragz is trying to say is that around here (Sttf) we use the number of BB's rather than M as in sit n go's M is pretty useless/irrelevant.
We do have 19x the BB here but there's antes too so we have to factor them in too, i can't remember the "formula" for doing this so if a reg could chime in with it that'd be handy!
As for the hand itself raising 2.5x is waaay better for reasons already stated by ragz & daisy.
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10-05-2009 , 09:19 AM
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+1 to hating M. I actually take pleasure deleting those "M = ..." things when I convert hands.

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We do have 19x the BB here but there's antes too so we have to factor them in too, i can't remember the "formula" for doing this so if a reg could chime in with it that'd be handy!
I tend to think of it as "there is 500 in the pot, and 2/3 of that is sorta like the BB, so it's like a BB of 333". Going by that logic its 11.6 effective blinds, which is just 1.5 x M (duh).

But that logic is just a simplification. With antes it is generally much better to make your raise size 2.25x-2.5x rather than 3x preflop, otherwise the pots end up too large to leave enough room to maneuver postflop.
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10-05-2009 , 12:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by IFoldPktOnes
I tend to think of it as "there is 500 in the pot, and 2/3 of that is sorta like the BB, so it's like a BB of 333". Going by that logic its 11.6 effective blinds, which is just 1.5 x M (duh).

But that logic is just a simplification. With antes it is generally much better to make your raise size 2.25x-2.5x rather than 3x preflop, otherwise the pots end up too large to leave enough room to maneuver postflop.
Ty kind sir!

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I actually take pleasure deleting those "M = ..." things when I convert hands.
Btw your a sadistic basteed!
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