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03-31-2008 , 08:53 AM
Pretty standard 4/180 table. My image is tight. Ive seen MP2 raise 56s pf before, so his calling range is prolly pretty wide and the flop could be "in his neighborhood". BB didnīt bother me much.
Therefore I figured I need to bet the flop for protection as Iīm less likely to improve my hand than villains and I want value too. I couldnīt find a good bet size, so somehow I ended up pushing it - am I just scaring villains of?

Poker Stars $4.00+$0.40 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t150/t300 Blinds - 8 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

UTG: t8800
Hero (UTG+1): t7830
MP1: t10586
MP2: t7305
CO: t3412
BTN: t6915
SB: t5040
BB: t10370

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG+1 with A A
1 fold, Hero raises to t900, 1 fold, MP2 calls t900, 3 folds, BB calls t600

Flop: (t3050) 7 9 T (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t6905 all in
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03-31-2008 , 09:14 AM
I think you're getting it in with this hand anyway, the only cards I really would'nt wanna see on the turn are 6d,8d,Jd and Qd. But that's only 4 cards so I'd bet less about 2000 and shove any turn that's not one of these. I think that if I'm beat, that's a hand I'm going broke with, but I'm not too worried about giving him a free card. I want him to call with a straight or flush draw and not scare him away with such a huge bet.
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03-31-2008 , 09:25 AM
bet the flop for protection and value....overbetting only accomplishes the former unless ur up against a massive call station. so bet like 2200 and shove most turns.
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03-31-2008 , 10:39 AM
I don't think that's a bad play at all.

I sometimes will bet light with the intention of inducing a call, but you certainly have to be ready to re-evaluate if a 10 hits or the board pairs or another diamond comes up. It all depends on where I am in the tournament. However, even if one of those situations comes up, I debate whether I could seriously fold and that's where the effectiveness of shoving the flop comes in.
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03-31-2008 , 04:19 PM
Correct as played. T3k is a goodly amount of chips to get, even if it isn't a double-up. Anything less, even PSB, and we're giving good enough odds for the flush draw, and close enough for the oesd. That 3050 puts us in a decent chip lead from which to abuse the table.
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03-31-2008 , 04:28 PM
If I hate the flop with a big overpair and I think villain will call loosely with a big draw I tend to shove - you maximise FE and it's MUCH worse to lose t$n chips than it is good to win t$n chips, always.
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03-31-2008 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by craven
Correct as played. T3k is a goodly amount of chips to get, even if it isn't a double-up. Anything less, even PSB, and we're giving good enough odds for the flush draw, and close enough for the oesd. That 3050 puts us in a decent chip lead from which to abuse the table.

I have to disagree there. A pot sized bet doesn't give him anywhere near the odds he needs to chase a flush or oesd. He's about 1:4 to get there on the turn so a pot sized bet is easily enough. Besides why would we wanna chase away a flush draw? That's exactly the type of hand we want our oponent to have if he calls cause we're a favorite against that type of hand.
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03-31-2008 , 05:52 PM
why on earth would u want to maximise FE here? If ur too scared to play AA against villians who are 35% against u then fold pf next time. Or just wait until ur up against a villian who is 20% against you...or is that too scarey too?

maybe its just me but when I pick up big hands pf I want action on them....as long as I play optimally by not allowing them to draw out on me for the right price, then thats all I can control. and if they draw out on me, so be it.

my advice for the day is:

stop playing scared!
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03-31-2008 , 05:55 PM
+1

(Wanted to do this for quite some time )
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03-31-2008 , 06:00 PM
shoving is bad, bet 1700 on the flop, then when the 2 of hearts turns you can get it in, easy game.
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03-31-2008 , 06:05 PM
I like a 2kish bet on the flop and getting it in on the turn or calling a shove on flop.
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03-31-2008 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by shutEMdown
bet the flop for protection and value....overbetting only accomplishes the former unless ur up against a massive call station. so bet like 2200 and shove most turns.
Betting 1/3 our stack should set off more warning bells than a shove.
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03-31-2008 , 07:02 PM
1600-2500 is an ideal bet. shoving's ridiculous. yeah, it's a $4/180 but why give villain a shot at dumping a ten or the shot to semibluff a nine or 88. i like betting 2k to setup a turn shove.
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