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08-18-2011 , 12:59 PM

MADZiCKz

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Villain running 7/7 over 45 hands. Is folding fine here or should I call ?

Buy-in (600/1,200 blinds, 120 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10299392

CO: 23,836 (19.9 bb)
BTN: 29,004 (24.2 bb)
SB: 46,340 (38.6 bb)
BB: 48,022 (40 bb)
UTG+2: 47,761 (39.8 bb)
Hero (MP1): 30,663 (25.6 bb)
MP2: 51,473 (42.9 bb)
MP3: 33,928 (28.3 bb)

Preflop: (960) Hero is MP1 with A

UTG+2 raises to 2,400, Hero ???

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08-18-2011 , 02:51 PM

suprguard

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I call and play a flop IP. I think I only continue on flop when i hit 2 pair/strong draws or better.

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08-18-2011 , 03:27 PM

sump

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Originally Posted by suprguard

I call and play a flop IP. I think I only continue on flop when i hit 2 pair/strong draws or better.

Not many strong draws will flop for us with AQo but these are people I hate playing against because they are usually at the top of their range. Folding isn't lol-bad but calling just seems bad since we burn 2BBs out of a 25BB stack as well as leave ourself in tough situations with Q and A high flops. I don't mind the fold but I tend to nit it up in MTTs

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08-18-2011 , 04:16 PM

gollyheck

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fold is good

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08-18-2011 , 04:32 PM

suprguard

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Originally Posted by sump

Sample of 45 hands isn't really big enough to tell us if he's really an awful nit. It's also very possible the guy is just severely carddead or didn't put money in, because somebody else raises/shoves/whatever.

7% range is 77+, ATs+, AQo+. Since he's early position I guess he's a bit tighter than that around 99+, AQs+, AKo. You are in position, so it's not like you have a very difficult decision on the flop. I take this opportunity to see a flop.

Folding can't be wrong too I guess, but I call. Maybe I just discovered one of my many leaks!

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08-18-2011 , 04:32 PM

dereds

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Originally Posted by suprguard

I call and play a flop IP. I think I only continue on flop when i hit 2 pair/strong draws or better.

you just don't have the implied odds to call pre for that and I very much doubt you are folding Qxx to a single c-bet

I'd probably 3bet call tbh but rather than just taking note of the vpip/pfr you need to place it in context, firstly it's a pretty small sample size and I'm going to view it differently if he's open folded his button a couple of times than I am if he's folded because the table has been active.

25bb's I think we can usually raise get it in with AQ tbh

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08-18-2011 , 04:37 PM

Glitlr

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if he is 7/7 over 45 hands, it means he has played about 3 or 4 hands of 45. nothing wrong with folding pf. nh

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08-18-2011 , 04:49 PM

suprguard

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Originally Posted by dereds

I have to agree, that we aren't deep enough indeed. Then I fold and need some love from my dog for being awful nitty ;-)

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08-18-2011 , 05:30 PM

sump

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^ it's not that nitty to fold AQo. It would be bad if we open folded 99-JJ though.

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08-18-2011 , 09:39 PM

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desperad0oo7

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I don't mind a fold. probably r/c AQs

I don't mind flatting pre to try and play IP and bluff/float certain textures but usually with 25bb that's going to be tough

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08-18-2011 , 09:52 PM

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Rob_10108

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Prefer calling, but a fold is ok too

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08-18-2011 , 10:05 PM

#12

SGT RJ

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It's a pretty nitty fold but then I'm a nit so there you go.

I'd like a flat more if our stack size wasn't a touch awkward for post flop play but if you're confident in your ability to get away from TPTK type hands when if he keeps coming after you then a flat to play it IP can't be too wrong.

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08-18-2011 , 10:24 PM

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Truckin

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Im calling and seeing the flop.

If you get a late position 3bet than you can see how strong that minbet open was and adjust from there. I would fold if he 4bets or shoves.

Lets say it gets HU you have position and I find minbets from tight players can often be setmining spots and they get passive if they miss. stab the pot if checked to would be my likely line and fold to any aggression if I missed.

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08-19-2011 , 01:49 AM

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Pokerman12345

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I really don't like flatting here with 25bbs. I think it's close between 3b calling and folding. I probably reluctantly fold. I doubt you ever would, but just to make sure, never ever 3b fold in this spot.

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08-19-2011 , 02:18 AM

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tripled83

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tough, i prefer raising or folding. 7/7 out of 45 is strong, and he has 14bb more than you.

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08-19-2011 , 07:33 AM

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doublem3up

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I call, play postflop.

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08-19-2011 , 11:07 AM

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MADZiCKz

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Since I've got two pages of responses (thx everyone

) I think I could post some continuation to the hand. So, I called pre and obv I can't fold otf but I think I have to fold turn, right ?

(600/1,200 blinds, 120 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #10307742

CO: 23,836 (19.9 bb)
BTN: 29,004 (24.2 bb)
SB: 46,340 (38.6 bb)
BB: 48,022 (40 bb)
UTG+2: 47,761 (39.8 bb)
Hero (MP1): 30,663 (25.6 bb)
MP2: 51,473 (42.9 bb)
MP3: 33,928 (28.3 bb)

Preflop: (960) Hero is MP1 with A

UTG+2 raises to 2,400, Hero calls 2,400, 5 folds, BB calls 1,200

Flop: (8,760) 5

(3 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 bets 4,380, Hero calls 4,380, BB folds

Turn: (17,520) 3

(2 players)
UTG+2 bets 8,760, Hero ??

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08-19-2011 , 11:12 AM

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desperad0oo7

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I think you have to get it in. I might fold on a drier texture but he can easily be doing this with worse here.

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08-19-2011 , 11:15 AM

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gamboneee

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dana gordon would have a field day itt...

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08-19-2011 , 11:33 AM

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doublem3up

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The way villian plays this hand post flop tells me he's got a pretty massive hand.*If he's a good player* AA, KK, QQ, 10 10 ,AcKc etc. Regardless though man you have a pretty solid hand yourself , you would be foolish not to get it all in here in a $3 rebuy IMO.

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08-19-2011 , 02:21 PM

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tripled83

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i agree, now that your in it, i shove

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