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07-29-2010 , 11:43 PM
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no. we can still bet/fold, we still have enough behind. it depends on the flop, obv. but its def profitable to raise pre and bet a lot of flops because people who limp/call utg are usually not strong and fold a lot of flops, sure we're not gonna bet every flop and we can even c/f some (which is fine, its still way easier to play that hand vs 1 person) - but yeah basiclly bet most flops and expect him to fold.
He has an M of 3.5 before the hand... after calling our raise pre, the pot will have more than his entire stack. How in the world can we bet/fold that? lol
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07-30-2010 , 01:08 AM
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Karl, by your logic, can we just raise ATC here and then fire out on most flops? To me that's what it sounds like you are advocating, since if we don't hit our set we're often going to get a flop where we have no idea where we are. I agree in looking at the hand again that stacks are kind of deep for shoving and if we raise to like 1400 the pot won't be THAT unwieldly, but I'm not sure 88 is the kind of hand we can play that well OOP (assuming UTG+1 flats us most of the time). I still think we get more value from his limp/calling range by shoving, though we encounter less variance if we raise it up small and play postflop.
Last edited by Jiggymike; 07-30-2010 at 01:08 AM. Reason: this is for most players...I assume that you can play it better than most cuz you're Max
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07-30-2010 , 04:42 AM
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He has an M of 3.5 before the hand... after calling our raise pre, the pot will have more than his entire stack. How in the world can we bet/fold that? lol
its utg+1 not utg
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07-30-2010 , 04:45 AM
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Karl, by your logic, can we just raise ATC here and then fire out on most flops? To me that's what it sounds like you are advocating, since if we don't hit our set we're often going to get a flop where we have no idea where we are. I agree in looking at the hand again that stacks are kind of deep for shoving and if we raise to like 1400 the pot won't be THAT unwieldly, but I'm not sure 88 is the kind of hand we can play that well OOP (assuming UTG+1 flats us most of the time). I still think we get more value from his limp/calling range by shoving, though we encounter less variance if we raise it up small and play postflop.
whats your cut off (for a pair) for making a standard raise rather than shipping?
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07-30-2010 , 12:18 PM
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^I still want to just shove and accept the variance...I think we pick up the chips in the pot a lot and when we get called we are rarely dominated except by clowns who trap or limp 99-TT.
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07-30-2010 , 12:21 PM
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rather just shove

we are OOP and they will never fold to 1298 and rarely will call a shove

don't think 88 is strong enough to play post flop kung fu this short OOP
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07-30-2010 , 12:27 PM
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He has an M of 3.5 before the hand... after calling our raise pre, the pot will have more than his entire stack. How in the world can we bet/fold that? lol
reading is tough, amirite ?
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07-30-2010 , 12:35 PM
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you guys really need to get more comfortable playing post flop. Shoving almost 30bbs with such a good hand is just silly. Sure you make a profit on it, but it's not the most optimal way to hand, ainec.
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