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12-02-2008 , 07:21 AM
Hi,

The raiser is Radoom who plays like 20630 tables at the 27/38s. He is generally on the tight side, so I can expect a good hand here (I'd say not more than top 20% in any case) and probably v few to no FE.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $35+$3 Tournament, 100/200 Blinds (4 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG (t3430)
Hero (Button) (t1845)
SB (t3965)
BB (t4260)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, A
UTG raises to t800, Hero ?
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12-02-2008 , 07:26 AM
Assuming you haven't any FE, UTG should be wider than 25% to make your push profitable.
If there is antes, cut-off point is 23%.

l'd fold.
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12-02-2008 , 07:35 AM
Given your stack still farily good (9BB) and read on him, you probably don't have enough equity against his UTG range here, so I'd fold (Has he been regularly raising 4x btw?)
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12-02-2008 , 07:42 AM
4xBB is unusual. I treat it as "I won't fold to your push".
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12-02-2008 , 07:50 AM
I think it's a fold, unless SB+BB are tough. If they are, well that might be the best spot we can get in next 10 mins, so I would take it. The level SB+BB are playing is probably the key factor to this hand. You have a semi-decent reg with UTG already at this table, so our decisions should be bind on the level SB+BB are playing and with our future edge. Technical it's a close fold as Leadan already mentoined, especially givin' you have a nice stacksize to work with, but if villains are good, taking a gamble now and let fortuna decide how to work on is nice too (especially as future game situations will favor us with a big stack).
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12-02-2008 , 08:01 AM
looks like a pretty easy fold
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12-02-2008 , 09:18 AM
IT's cool to see someone like twisted echo to react in so many threads (as a highstake SnG-player iirc)

(y)

if he opens 2,75bb, I would shove, do you guys agree
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12-02-2008 , 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by TwistedEcho
looks like a pretty easy fold
qft

and rex, you know this too.

your FE here is 0. the only way you can shove here profitably is if he turned his hand face up and showed Qx/Ax
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12-02-2008 , 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Tonnie1
IT's cool to see someone like twisted echo to react in so many threads (as a highstake SnG-player iirc)

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if he opens 2,75bb, I would shove, do you guys agree
no. even an open to 2.75bb would be 550 meaning that O.R. is getting over 2 to 1 on his call (550+1845+300(blinds)=2695) and he has to call only 1295.
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12-02-2008 , 09:26 AM
yeah, but it would also mean that his range is fairly wider (so u have FE)
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12-02-2008 , 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Tonnie1
yeah, but it would also mean that his range is fairly wider (so u have FE)
.. i don't think you have FE when the guy is getting over 2 to 1 on his call. you may have a slim percentage but it's not enough to ship it in.
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12-02-2008 , 09:51 AM
If he was good and opened smaller i would possibly shove, since like tonnie said his range is wider, but also if he is good he knows our range should be really tight as we don't expect FE, and thus he will fold sometimes so you can shove a bit lighter than you actually should until he figures that out - also by folding he still maintains 3rd place stack, but by calling he becomes the shorty.

The sad thing is the hands he does fold are often the ones we dominate, and the hands he calls that are the weaker end of his range that he doesn't like calling w/ but does getting 2:1, will be the midpairs.

So i'd rather ship 2-3 pairs lower than i should ICMwise than AQ, but i would still shove AQ vs certain players who raise to 450-500
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