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11-04-2008 , 07:27 AM

Bedz

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,658

SNGWiz basicly says this is a horrible push. Can I really fold here, giving the other short stack the huge blinds?

Full Tilt Poker, $33 + $3 NL Hold'em Sit n' Go, 250/500 Blinds, 4 Players
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Hero (SB): 1,540
BB: 2,285
UTG: 5,495
BTN: 4,180

Pre-Flop: (750) 3

dealt to Hero (SB)
2 folds, Hero raises to 1,540 and is All-In

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11-04-2008 , 07:46 AM

aussie_Star

centurion

Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 173

i dont think u can fold here, if u fold u pretty much have to jam the next hand with ATC because the BB will be hitting u very quickly and ull be left with no FE

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11-04-2008 , 07:48 AM

MPHansen

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 567

yeah I think I'm shoving any 2 here assuming BB isn't a reg

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11-04-2008 , 09:12 AM

Rupert

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,774

Wow I always fold here

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yeah I think I'm shoving any 2 here assuming BB isn't a reg

If BBs a reg, they are less likely to call. When people see you only have 3bbs and they are getting >2/1 on their call they are more likely to call without even considering ICM. I think even if BB is a reg and folds appropriately this is a fold for me.

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11-04-2008 , 10:56 AM

MPHansen

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 567

If bb is a reg and knows you then he'll understand you're shoving extremely wide and look you up way way way lighter than the casual 1tabling duder

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11-04-2008 , 11:03 AM

PokahPokah

veteran

Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,526

im shoving this always , we are the shorty we`re also stealing from the next shortest stack making our chip position better, if we fold were folding 1/6 of our stack, people generally wont call as wide as they should here and its not like we have time to try and luckbox a better one

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11-04-2008 , 11:07 AM

MPHansen

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 567

Yeah pokah is probably right, any2 against anyone

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11-04-2008 , 11:08 AM

manistyle

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 571

I would Fold and wait for a better Hand in the next 2 rounds. Then you are forced to move All-in [For survival]..

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11-04-2008 , 11:08 AM

PokahPokah

veteran

Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,526

even if villain is calling 55% this is a .1 +ev shove, never folding this

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11-04-2008 , 11:27 AM

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andremcosta

centurion

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 131

I don't understand what you mean by saying "SNGWiz basicly says this is a horrible push". You have to put the ranges, not him. And saying that it says it's horrible means it's horrible for any reasonable range.

My icm calculator is telling me to push almost ATC and I have reasons to even believe ICM underestimate the need to push because you have 2.5bb left.

I really think an average player will call with 40-50% at most here. Rarely much more than this.

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