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11-24-2008 , 09:42 PM
To bluff or not to bluff...
What do you think of this bluff... Profitable long run??? Put the under the gun guy on either stone cold bluff or flush draw and other guy on top pair on the flop. I rarely bluff this early in the tourney but I just thought it was a perfect spot to steal it. The 'top pair' guy thought for ages before folding. I showed the bluff as well.

PokerStars Game #22310146995: Tournament #122546027, $36+$3 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2008/11/23 21:12:16 ET
Table '122546027 1' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: dinger227 (2010 in chips)
Seat 3: DanTuréll (1220 in chips)
Seat 4: DinoII (2940 in chips)
Seat 5: Goofella (1450 in chips)
Seat 6: joepeger (1380 in chips)
Goofella: posts small blind 25
joepeger: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to joepeger [9c 4h]
dinger227: calls 50
DanTuréll: folds
DinoII: folds
Goofella: calls 25
joepeger: checks
*** FLOP *** [6s 5d 7d]
Goofella: bets 100
joepeger: calls 100
dinger227: calls 100
*** TURN *** [6s 5d 7d] [Js]
Goofella: checks
joepeger: checks
dinger227: bets 100
Goofella: calls 100
joepeger: calls 100
*** RIVER *** [6s 5d 7d Js] [2c]
Goofella: checks
joepeger: checks
dinger227: bets 350
Goofella: calls 350
joepeger: raises 780 to 1130 and is all-in
dinger227: folds
Goofella: folds
Uncalled bet (780) returned to joepeger
joepeger collected 1800 from pot
joepeger: shows [9c 4h] (high card Jack)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1800 | Rake 0
Board [6s 5d 7d Js 2c]
Seat 1: dinger227 folded on the River
Seat 3: DanTuréll folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: DinoII (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Goofella (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 6: joepeger (big blind) collected (1800)

Last edited by Beerocrat; 11-24-2008 at 10:57 PM.
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11-24-2008 , 10:36 PM
post these in correct forum please
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11-24-2008 , 10:55 PM
I don't understand anything but the check preflop, especially not the turn and river.

joepeger, please convert your hands in the future. For guidelines on posting going forward check out the FAQ at the top of this forum.

Last edited by Beerocrat; 11-24-2008 at 11:04 PM.
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11-24-2008 , 11:18 PM
It worked. You got lucky. Quit while you're ahead.

Everything Beerocrat said.
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11-25-2008 , 12:13 AM
It will certainly be profitable. Sadly, only for everyone who plays you.
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11-25-2008 , 12:37 AM
after looking at the board texture for like... 35 minutes or so... i still don't understand what in the world you are representing
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11-25-2008 , 02:01 AM
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Originally Posted by jurrasstoil
after looking at the board texture for like... 35 minutes or so... i still don't understand what in the world you are representing
Clearly, I said clearly, he is representing 5 2 offsuit.
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11-26-2008 , 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Beerocrat
I don't understand anything but the check preflop, especially not the turn and river.

joepeger, please convert your hands in the future. For guidelines on posting going forward check out the FAQ at the top of this forum.
Really? Flopped a double belly buster, ok it was a marginal flop call but after the call on the flop the turn call becomes automatic so I disagree with you on that one
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11-26-2008 , 02:14 AM
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Originally Posted by joepeger
Really? Flopped a double belly buster, ok it was a marginal flop call but after the call on the flop the turn call becomes automatic so I disagree with you on that one
94o on a 567 board is an oesd for me. 93 would be a DBB.
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11-26-2008 , 03:17 AM
good luck checkraisingallin with 9 high on the river in a $39 SNG, I'm sure that will work out for you.

also, convert the HH, it's built into the create a thread screen and takes like a whole 1 second to do (The Two Plus Two Hand Converter: Powered by DeucesCracked.com Click to expand: )
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11-26-2008 , 10:03 AM
You know, if you have a really stone cold read that this will work here, then go for it... but it's probably a -EV c/r on the river.... way to go with your instincts there though.

As for the earlier streets, the problem with this draw is that even if you are to spike your 8/3, it completes totally obvious straights, and therefore you don't have the implied odds to get paid on later streets if you catch. For that reason, I think check/folding the flop is best.
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11-26-2008 , 10:13 AM
What beerocrat said.
+c/f flop.
Also convert your hands plz.
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11-26-2008 , 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Daleroxxu
good luck checkraisingallin with 9 high on the river in a $39 SNG, I'm sure that will work out for you.

also, convert the HH, it's built into the create a thread screen and takes like a whole 1 second to do (The Two Plus Two Hand Converter: Powered by DeucesCracked.com Click to expand: )
I'll convert HH in future I didn't know you have to.

I've already stated I almost never bluff this early in a tournament and I do very well at the $39 sngs thank you. I'm sure you know because I play beside you an awful lot. This was one occasion where I thought I could steal it. It's not like I do this on a regular basis. I had a timing tell on the utg villain and had my four supernova stars on show so they know I'm a solid player. So your "good luck"sentiments are appreciated but not needed.
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11-26-2008 , 10:30 AM
As for the earlier streets, the problem with this draw is that even if you are to spike your 8/3, it completes totally obvious straights, and therefore you don't have the implied odds to get paid on later streets if you catch. For that reason, I think check/folding the flop is best.[/QUOTE]

I'd tend to agree with you here, I know the call on the flop is marginal but it's not altogether horrible. ~In retrospect I probably should have folded the flop. After the flop call the turn call becomes automatic though. In terms of pot odds considering 2 people called the flop bet they aren't awful odds. If I hit next card I only need to make 300 ish to justify the flop call from turn to river which is very little, but considering they both folded to the c/r on the river I guess you are right, -the implied odds weren't there.
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11-26-2008 , 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by joepeger
Really? Flopped a double belly buster, ok it was a marginal flop call but after the call on the flop the turn call becomes automatic so I disagree with you on that one
Your direct odds on the turn are ok if you disregard ICM tax and assume there isn't a diamond draw out there so you have all 8 outs. If a diamond gives you the straight you'll probably only get action if you're beat. I dk how confident you can be of getting paid off either way. Your results are obv solid so you probably aren't dumb, it's just pretty marginal imho.

You've got some cojones bluffing that river in a 3 way with 9 high, that's for sure. Like others have mentioned, I can't figure out what you are repping being so passive on a drawy board until the river. I would expect to get called a lot.
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11-26-2008 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by jurrasstoil
94o on a 567 board is an oesd for me. 93 would be a DBB.
It's at least a single belly buster...
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