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03-24-2023 , 07:12 PM
Prague $160 equivalent tourney. 30,000 starting stack starts at 100/200 200 BB ante (BBA). 25 minute levels. Its mid level here because Luka rebuy Stars has the highest priced tourneys in Prague (though last Tuesdays 9900 Crown, $450 or so, draws the toughest crowds). This is equivalent to basically a $500 tournament at Foxwoods (though the 25 minute levels make it slightly more turbo than FW 30 minute levels and 40,000 starting chips).

3 hands of note.

1st Hand: I have about 26,000 chips its 100/300 300 BBA. Raise by UTG+2 to 800 - who is new to the table and has close to 30,000 chips. I've played with him before and he is wide (like just about everybody here). 2 folds and I call with J9s in MP because the guys behind me haven't been 3-betting though there is a GTO young Czech guy who would 3-bet appropriately though he is shortish at <20,000 chips. 1 caller and we go to the flop. It is J97r. UTG+2 bets 800. I raise to 2400 fold and UTG+2 calls (HU now). Turn is an A. Check. I check back. My thinking is I want to make it look like I have Jx and got a little scared of the A. If he doesn't have an A I think he might bluff the river. If he has an A he is definitely betting the river. No flush draw. What would you do here?

River is a 9. He leads out for 8,700 which is slightly more than pot (7900). I don't even really think about it. I jam. I don't think he has AA (3 combos) but it is possible. So is AJ (9 combos). I think he can also have T8s/9x/or its a big bluff. What would you do here?

2nd Hand: I have about 32,000 chips and AKo in the SB. Blinds are 300/600 500 BBA. MP raises to 1500. CO Calls. BTN raises to 6300. I have played with BTN many times. He always 3-bets OTB and his range is super wide (like J8o wide) but his bet sizing is always really good. I have hoped to be in this spot. I jam of course. I don't think this is a tough decision but am curious what you guys think.

3rd hand. Blinds are 600/1200 1200 BBA. I have about 50,000 chips. Avg stack is now 62,000 chips. Folds to CO who raises to 2700. He has raised a bunch of times so I think he is widish here. I have KQo in the SB and I make it 10,700. Fold and CO calls. Flop is 972r. I bet 8,000. What do you think? He calls.

K on the turn putting a flush draw out there. I check. He bets 7,000 into a ~40,000 chip pot. I c/r jam. Thoughts?
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03-24-2023 , 07:51 PM
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Eh. I think all better hands fold.
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03-24-2023 , 08:11 PM
On the 3rd hand CO has me covered easily. I think he started with like 75,000 chips.
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03-25-2023 , 04:24 AM
Hand 1: Fold pre.
Hand 2: Standard Jam.
Hand 3: I'd keep betting turn small, but don't mind the check. I'd check/call, and check/decide on river. Check/shove seems like an overplay
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03-26-2023 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by persianpunisher
Hand 1: Fold pre.
Hand 2: Standard Jam.
Hand 3: I'd keep betting turn small, but don't mind the check. I'd check/call, and check/decide on river. Check/shove seems like an overplay
I agree with this on h1. On h2 I wouldn’t mind a weird small 3 bet to let him think he has FE if he jams. As played perfectly fine. 3b looks super nutty and jam just makes it look like you have jj or AK I feel. Think jam is solid though. Not sure you can 3 bet. If I think villian can 4bet as a bluff I like 3 bet. I think calling pre would be terrible if you know he’s going to be wide. I feel button raising an open and flat is a good spot to steal chips / gain a range advantage even with a kinda poo poo hand you wanna cbet and take a pot down against straight up live players.

H3 I like call on turn. By jamming he only calls with better and you let him find an easy fold. Let villian hang himself on river.

H1 I like fold pre. It’s sucks when it goes 3 bet in a multi-way pot with a hand like J9s. It can get difficult to realize our equity in a 3 bet pot and we open up light 3 bets by having a pretty bad hand a lot of the time just flatting an open. If charts say it’s ok to call/ I’m fine with it. Just not j9o- that would be really bad hand to flat.
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03-27-2023 , 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Jkpoker10
On h2 I wouldn’t mind a weird small 3 bet to let him think he has FE if he jams. As played perfectly fine. 3b looks super nutty and jam just makes it look like you have jj or AK I feel. Think jam is solid though. Not sure you can 3 bet. If I think villian can 4bet as a bluff I like 3 bet. I think calling pre would be terrible if you know he’s going to be wide. I feel button raising an open and flat is a good spot to steal chips / gain a range advantage even with a kinda poo poo hand you wanna cbet and take a pot down against straight up live players.
We're cold 4-betting in hand 2, not 3-betting.

I think jam is fine at that depth, especially with AKo where we're happy to take it down. Any induce-size raise is going to be at least 40% of your stack and look suspicious anyway.

Hand 1 - I think all options are fine pre as long as you balance them, and if the particular scenario favors one that's fine.

Does anyone else just bet the turn anyway? I feel like it looks less like I'm strong and more like I'm just trying to barrel villain off a scare card, and this board could drop some action-killers on us.

Hand 3 - I'm not sure the point of jamming turn. Unless you think he's going to put you on a flush draw and stack with pairs lower than the king, you probably make more with call/call. Do you have the queen of suit of the flush draw?
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03-27-2023 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by nath
We're cold 4-betting in hand 2, not 3-betting.

I think jam is fine at that depth, especially with AKo where we're happy to take it down. Any induce-size raise is going to be at least 40% of your stack and look suspicious anyway.

Hand 1 - I think all options are fine pre as long as you balance them, and if the particular scenario favors one that's fine.

Does anyone else just bet the turn anyway? I feel like it looks less like I'm strong and more like I'm just trying to barrel villain off a scare card, and this board could drop some action-killers on us.

Hand 3 - I'm not sure the point of jamming turn. Unless you think he's going to put you on a flush draw and stack with pairs lower than the king, you probably make more with call/call. Do you have the queen of suit of the flush draw?
Yes. I have the Q. The K came on the turn. At the time I didn't consider that it makes him having a flush draw less likely.

The reason I c/r jammed the turn on hand 3 was I thought he was trying to get me to check the river and was on a flush draw. It seemed like a blocking type of bet but in position or trying to get some value because he thinks he is ahead with either a weakish hand or a super strong hand. My thinking at the time was if he was betting 7,000 into 42,000 he wasn't going to call a river bet. Unless he improved. I really can't ever remember a 1/6 pot bet on the turn in position. But maybe this time it was because it makes a river shove seem more reasonable. Or more like a bluff.
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