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11-25-2007 , 01:02 PM

sence25

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Hi, how yo like this?
Inspired by Eagles.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (9 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Hero (t1920)
BB (t1750)
UTG (t2130)
UTG+1 (t355)
MP1 (t1910)
MP2 (t2780)
MP3 (t2130)
CO (t1930)
Button (t5095)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q

, K

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3 folds, MP2 raises to t350, MP3 calls t350, 2 folds, Hero shoves [t1920]

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11-25-2007 , 01:07 PM

Fishing2do

journeyman

Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 322

Dont like sorry.. KQs is too weak of a hand to go allin with pre-flop (with 20bb), and there is really no reason to perform a play like this in this stage/situation of the tourney.

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11-25-2007 , 01:40 PM

vers

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If MP2 is opening pretty wide, I think this is ok, but lately I have distanced myself from these kind of plays b/c I rarely get folds out of the players. I'd rather be shoving here with like AQs/AK/99+. I also don't like how we're not desperate for chips at all, which makes this too risky I think.

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11-25-2007 , 01:50 PM

holy32

adept

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Risk/reward doesn't seem to pay off here. I agree w/ vers's squeezing range, although I fold 99.

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11-25-2007 , 02:19 PM

jetlag99

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Don't like it. Just fold and go on with next hand.

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11-25-2007 , 04:22 PM

bighomeytim

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not bad, not bad

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11-25-2007 , 04:48 PM

aghasax

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They have to be opening wide here and then fold a lot to your push for it to be good. I generally don't think they are, and fold here.

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11-25-2007 , 11:17 PM

Scotty_12

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Im not a big fan, there need to be alot of factors for this to work well, including fold equity from a 3.5x raiser (hopefully he is a LAG, but a lag is probably more likely to call you) and someone coldcalling 3.5x (likely a bad player, who might also be mo re likely to call you)

You would know your opposition better than I would, but I think you need to give info on the players stats or showdowns , making this play with the info you've posted (none) isnt something I would advocate

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11-26-2007 , 01:14 AM

CheeseMoney

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Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,840

I hate this, and someone would have to show me some serious math to show that this could ever be profitable. Note that you did not provide us with the ninja read that we require. FI, AK may be in MP3s call range, crushing us, and not folding to a shove. AQs could possibly be good here with some fold equity + possible dead money. Hope someone less lazy does the math to figure out the necessary ranges, both opening, calling, and shove calling/overcalling.

Also, typically I've noticed that 3.5 raises with these stack sizes are pairs like JJ, QQ that don't want an ace to call but are happy to get it in preflop. You're often getting called by both.

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11-26-2007 , 01:19 AM

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wiggs73

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readless i'm sort of indifferent. having said that, i think you need reads, particularly on MP2.

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11-26-2007 , 02:24 AM

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Pudge714

Modding All Day

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I would like it on FTP or if he raised smaller as played fold.

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11-26-2007 , 02:24 AM

#12

AMT

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readless i'm sort of indifferent. having said that, i think you need reads, particularly on MP2.

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11-26-2007 , 02:25 AM

#13

AMT

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I would like it on FTP or if he raised smaller as played fold.

i know i already quoted wiggs but i agree with both of these statements to some extent. i know im weird.

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11-26-2007 , 02:42 AM

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rakemeplz

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readless i'm sort of indifferent. having said that, i think you need reads, particularly on MP2.

Would you guys shove it in the BB (no reeds)?

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11-26-2007 , 02:55 AM

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wiggs73

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it's possible that with an oboe i would shove, otherwise fold.

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11-26-2007 , 11:12 AM

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aghasax

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I would like it on FTP or if he raised smaller as played fold.

i know i already quoted wiggs but i agree with both of these statements to some extent. i know im weird.

Could you explain why you'd like it better at FTP?

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11-26-2007 , 11:25 AM

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CheeseMoney

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Something to do with hitting the pot button?

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11-26-2007 , 11:37 AM

#18

AMT

Charlie Brown of MTTs

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Something to do with hitting the pot button?

bingo, it auto-widens ranges enough that a lot of people would like sence's line. unless pudge had another idea in mind...

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11-26-2007 , 11:37 AM

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Finnisher

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Since this is Party MP2 probly checked the preselect pot button. You really gotta have reads, games are so soft that imo you should never do anything out of the ordinary if you don't know it's +ev for sure.

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11-26-2007 , 12:17 PM

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CheeseMoney

old hand

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So why did you used to play on stars?

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11-26-2007 , 12:50 PM

#21

Pudge714

Modding All Day

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Finnisher,
Not necessarily true, but if he instaraised than I would prob shove.

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