Fairly close ICM spot IMO (ICMIZER says it's close). Villain is decent player with 23% ROI and $20ABI over large sample set. He's 16/13 over 742 hands FWIW. SB also seems good (not a lot of history but decent results over small sample set) and BB is a random newbie. Seems like Villain and I have the same position (sandwiched between the equally sized large stacks), so should not affect decision-making here.

Payouts are $477, $327, $251 and $191.

Thoughts?


[converted_hand][hand_history]Merge, $33Buy-in (1,000/2,000 blinds, 200 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

BTN: 14,386 (7.2 bb)
SB: 67,435 (33.7 bb)
Hero (BB): 14,104 (7.1 bb)
CO: 57,075 (28.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A 8
CO folds, BTN raises to 14,186 and is all-in, SB folds, Hero???

I'd go for it.

I'd call too.

Looks like a good spot to double up and a pay jump, especially as u two are the shorties. His range should be massive (depending on the player of course)

this doesn't really seem close at all. just put your chips in the middle of the pot and win

its not 4handed right?
not really close.

yeah, of course not, but I didn't want to leave the info out completely. hence the fwiw statement.

got this part right

you`re the shortest stack = no icm.

Haha Cicakman. Nice catch. I meant CO.

OK. I can see it's unlikely for anyone to say fold. I called; villain had KQo and I held.

But was doing some review of various ICM spots and ICMIZER says we should fold A6o here and call with A7o+. Seems like another spot where people think we should be looser than is $EV.

that's not correct particularly when there's a stack that close to you in stack size.

with what range for btn

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BTN's range should be the following: an icm-adjusted nash range which is 27%:

22+,A2s+,A3o+,K9s+,KJo+,Q9s+,QJo,J9s+,JTo,T8s+,98s

What's the positive value you're getting? What range did it give you to call and what range did you assign him?

Positive value is $4.44

Hero's range should be 22+,A3s+,A7o+,KTs+,KJo+,QTs+.

And villain's range I posted above.

I call.

Okay. Is $4.44 the prizepool of the 4 people left or $4.44 of the whole tournament's prizepool? Im still learning. Thank you.

I am used to getting the value before it's converted to dollars.

I'm not sure I understand the question but really both.

Based on the top 4 payouts, the value of calling is expected to be $4.44 greater than the value of folding.

u realize if you fold that the player who is close to you in stack size will all of a sudden have 3/2 of your current stack size?

HoldemResources Nash Results

Am I doing something wrong? I setup the same scenario and got different results.

Edit: nvm...it's same/similar enough

No, you're doing it right. The calculators are slightly different but the ranges are almost exactly the same with a few different hands on the margins. BTN pushing 27% and Hero calling 19%.

yeah, but the statement that ICM doesn't matter when you are shortest stack is still incorrect. it's less of a factor tho.

How did you calculate winning $4.44 with A8o against villain's range? Did ICMIZER spit that number out for you?

Yes.

Alright. Thank you for all the replies.