Middle of day 1. Fairly easy table. Second in chips at table. Have about 30 bb. Get 3,3 in bb.

Mp lag guy raises to 4 bb. Lp lag type calls. Folds to me. I call.

Flop is J, 3, 2, two clubs. I check. Mp checks. Lp makes pot size bet. I tank and shove figuring he likely has top pair or overpair but wanted to get flush chasers out so he bet the pot.

Mp tank folds. Lp snap calls and shows JJ. Coolered set over set. Turn and river brick. Out.

Did I have any business being in this hand in the first place? I considered folding 3,3 but given the lag type, I figured maybe a good set mine opportunity. On the flop, I think I did well as I can't really fold middle set here (can I?).

Thoughts?

Cant fold once on flop. I think calling pre is standard given implied odds. So ul gg

It's a bit closer with the lp flatter, but I don't think you have the right implied odds to setmine here OOP. It's too much of your stack and being OOP you're not always going to Gii when you flop a set.

Flop is obviously standard. Just very unlucky.

Cool, thanks for the replies.

when you have second strong set on board see flop cheaply as possible .
folding to pot bet is very wise play.

its difficult to control when you flop a set.must keep feelings away from table .


consider pot odds here.risking 30bb to get 18bb is a big risk

fold pre, jam with reads
flop is trivial gii as played

Fold pre is best. You are getting 3.5-1 immediate odds. You don't have enough implied odds. If it was a minraise, you would be getting about 6.5-1 immediate, and if a 2.5x, 5-1, so folding would be bad then. Can't call because of huge open and your shortish stack.

Just bad luck on the flop. Try not to think too result oriented.....If you flop a set there and double up we don't have this conversation

yeah I owuld have called pre, and its just real bad luck set over set,,

Fold pre as mentioned. 8:1 to hit a set you need need to win 24bb+ to break even. Of course sometimes the other player also makes a set and you're gone. Getting it in on flop is totally standard.

You have an easy table, I wouldn't typically call here, just fold. It may be of importantance to note which flight you were playing and if you were planning to fire additional bullets.

I don't understand/agree with a single line here?

Once the flop hits, you want to do whatever you can to get it in.

Preflop seems close in the first place, because we actually didn't ask whether there are any antes in play? But it's probably not that close since you're saying that you're second in chips at the table. Given that you're out after this hand, I guess LP villain covers you, but MP villain, logically, doesn't.
This lowers your implied odds even further. So I guess it's a fold pre in that context. Unusual given today's min-raising standards, but true.

Yes, antes are in play and lp had me covered by a lousy 25 chips.

Seems the consensus is to fold pre which is unfortunate because I tanked for a little bit pre before making the call.

Thanks for the responses, everyone.