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06-13-2014 , 10:22 AM

piteiracorp

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Poker Stars, $28.77 Buy-in (75/150 blinds, 15 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 4 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #27988071

BTN: 223 (1.5 bb)
SB: 1,862 (12.4 bb)
Hero: 1,049 (7 bb)
CO: 1,366 (9.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J

2 folds, SB raises to 1,847 and is all-in

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all players are regs at this format and im new at these stakes so that make me the the fish, or in other words id say i have a weak edge vs these players. if you like me to give more reads that could be important plz ask.

this spot seems a clear fold icm wise, but villain is pushing any two here and if we win this pot it will grant us 1st a huge % of the times, should i call here?

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06-13-2014 , 10:27 AM

Gladiatoranc

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this spot seems a clear fold icm wise, but villain is pushing any two here and if we win this pot it will grant us 1st a huge % of the times, should i call here?

If i could in fact make 1st place a good % of the time and villain was a reg and shoving very wide then i would call regardless of ICM. You're pretty much crushing a SB raise here.

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06-13-2014 , 10:30 AM

Regret$

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Seems like a pretty disastrous call to me. No range we can call profitable can change vills range from atc. If anything icm is undervalue our stack with the 223 guy. ICM suggests 88+ with 88 slight call AKs/77 both big icm disasters. 99+ imo.

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06-13-2014 , 10:42 AM

Gladiatoranc

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So you're folding here because of ICM? What about if we bust or make top 3 places, is that taken into account with ICM?

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06-13-2014 , 10:44 AM

Regret$

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No, because I think it is more profitable to fold than to call.

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06-13-2014 , 10:45 AM

Dochrohan

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Super easy fold

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06-13-2014 , 10:49 AM

Gladiatoranc

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No, because I think it is more profitable to fold than to call.

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Super easy fold

If AJ is a super easy fold, AQ would be what? Tough fold\call decision?

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06-13-2014 , 10:50 AM

Dochrohan

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[QUOTE=Gladiatoranc;43626704]

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No, because I think it is more profitable to fold than to call.[/QUOTE

ok

If AJ is a super easy fold, AQ would be what? Tough fold\call decision?

Super easy as in super easy fold

Hero is overestimating how much he will win if he wins this double up.

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06-13-2014 , 11:18 AM

Gladiatoranc

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Hero is overestimating how much he will win if he wins this double up.

I guess 14BB stack is still vulnerable...

So our calling range here is this AKs, 99+?

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06-13-2014 , 12:12 PM

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Dochrohan

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Originally Posted by Gladiatoranc

I guess 14BB stack is still vulnerable...

So our calling range here is this AKs, 99+?

I'm not calling any AK, probably something like TT-JJ+?

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06-13-2014 , 03:00 PM

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Viral25

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Originally Posted by Regret$

Just from gut feeling that seems pretty big undervaluing. No way i'm calling with 88 here. JJ+

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06-14-2014 , 12:58 AM

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Shaokpok

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The BU has only 1.5bb you should fold here and like they say call TT+ or JJ+

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06-14-2014 , 01:54 AM

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Rusemandingo

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AKs a fold unless Im the short stack, then snap a2o.

Not all regs are gonna be on atc from the sb here btw.

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06-14-2014 , 07:22 AM

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mostlyfolding

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I agree that a fold is best here.

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06-14-2014 , 08:29 AM

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piteiracorp

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thanks everybody for the input.
these spots had always been very clear situations for me, sometimes i see 'weak' regs making these strong Ax calls and then i saw a top reg calling here so i started having second guesses, i can only conclude it was a missclick.

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06-14-2014 , 10:59 AM

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dybboss

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why ?

even the best regs can get annoyed vs someone and make these calls. Nothing wrong in making a bad play as long as you know its a bad play imo.

This isnt a great spot cuz we wont hurt him that much with our stack, if we do this our goal is to try bust him on the bubble, then its fine play : )

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06-14-2014 , 12:17 PM

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MetalSpork

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And sometimes you just mash call and then notice the shorty.

Edit: And sometimes you make insanely -EV calls so that other regs see what you're doing and copy it, making it +EV in the long run..?

Last edited by MetalSpork; 06-14-2014 at 12:20 PM. Reason: like I need a reason

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06-14-2014 , 03:29 PM

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Skitz0Frenik

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Originally Posted by Gladiatoranc

ok

If AJ is a super easy fold, AQ would be what? Tough fold\call decision?

AQ and AK are also folds given the stack sizes. QQ+ here looks reasonable.

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06-14-2014 , 04:52 PM

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Gladiatoranc

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Hey, not all ''regs'' are good players or have the discipline to fold AK, AQs here... And not all of them read 2+2... I definitely learned from this thread and going to tighten up quite a bit in this situation.

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06-14-2014 , 05:12 PM

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kaput_25

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Originally Posted by Rusemandingo

AKs a fold unless Im the short stack, then snap a2o.

Not all regs are gonna be on atc from the sb here btw.

Seriously? should I move to 9man hypers and play 30s?

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06-14-2014 , 10:34 PM

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Rusemandingo

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not your life coach so idk

Last edited by Rusemandingo; 06-14-2014 at 10:37 PM. Reason: :)

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06-16-2014 , 10:11 PM

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vadiupoker

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ho-hee

Spoiler:

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06-22-2014 , 02:08 AM

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dybboss

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@piteiracorp thoughts about new laws to come in portugal? are you planning to relocate or enjoy low traffic/high rake/soft games ;p
whats with that segregated pools idea, havent they learnt that it kills online gambling based on spain/italy/french examples...

kinda sux, ruins my moving to Madeira plans -_-

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06-22-2014 , 07:47 AM

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piteiracorp

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the biggest issues still remain a doubt, will players be taxed? will the market be open or .pt? lets hope for the English model, 1timeee

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