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10-14-2009 , 10:49 PM

VikingsFan93

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The original limper is fairly tight-solid slightly winning player. Button is loose-bad has played 5 of first 15 hands and has a -28% ROI on Sharkscope. How do you play JJ here? Thanks in advance for your input.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 33 Tournament, 25/50 Blinds (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG+1 (t1575)
MP1 (t1880)
MP2 (t1235)
MP3 (t735)
Hero (CO) (t1770)
Button (t1505)
SB (t1355)
BB (t1970)
UTG (t1475)

Hero's M: 23.60

Preflop: Hero is CO with J

, J

4 folds, MP3 calls t50, Hero bets t200, Button raises to t1505 (All-In), 3 folds, Hero?

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10-14-2009 , 11:26 PM

TomoDaK

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I'd play the exact same and snap the shove

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10-14-2009 , 11:35 PM

CastleBravo79

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I really don't understand MP3's limp.... or what range of hands he is on here. If there are a ton of aggros behind then I smell tarp, other wise, I guess we can raise because he has to fold just about everything to our range.

I'm snapping the aggro also.

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10-15-2009 , 12:30 AM

Jabong82

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I think I'm folding this. If MP3 is decent, he has KK or AA here like every time given his stack size. Plus even donks can show up with a hand every now and then, and I expect to be flipping a lot against BTN donk. I think JJ is a fold here for me.

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10-15-2009 , 01:41 AM

TomoDaK

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fairly tight slightly winning player does not imply good . With a 30vpip and 2 other randoms behind why would he limp AA? You can't just say oh he has KK+, don't think you it's fairly likely he is a weak player given his description? I'd call btn with JJ AK fwiw

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10-15-2009 , 01:48 AM

mizztagoo

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He shows up wih AK a ton here.

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10-15-2009 , 08:17 AM

Deurdy

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Originally Posted by TomoDaK

I'd play the exact same and snap the shove

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Originally Posted by CastleBravo79

I really don't understand MP3's limp.... or what range of hands he is on here.

Small - mid pocket pairs or KQs type hands, which is quite common for break-evenish players.

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10-15-2009 , 08:34 AM

The_Admiral

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Telling us (indirectly) his VP$IP is interesting but his PFR is more relevant here and if he's passive it has a big impact on what comes next.

If he's a fairly loose aggro donk, I'll guess his range is:

88+,AK,AQ,AJ,KQs,ATs

Which gives us 55% equity and some odds. It's a call but I'm not excited.

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10-15-2009 , 09:48 AM

pompeypoker

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Originally Posted by The_Admiral

If he's a fairly loose aggro donk, I'll guess his range is:

88+,AK,AQ,AJ,KQs,ATs

Which gives us 55% equity and some odds. It's a call but I'm not excited.

JJ doing 'so bad' against this range almost makes me want to fold.

i don't though.

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10-15-2009 , 09:51 AM

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retam

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Originally Posted by pompeypoker

JJ doing 'so bad' against this range almost makes me want to fold.

i don't though.

Yeah, obv AK is better against a tight range than our JJ is, but with those SS stats, villain could definitely be wider. It takes some effort to be a -30% player.

I snap call.

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10-15-2009 , 12:00 PM

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Th3_S1aught3r

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Against a reg this is not a snap call, but in this case its against a fish who can be doing this very wide, so I would snap

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10-15-2009 , 12:26 PM

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Caramelldansen

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I am folding here.

I call the shove on its own, but the reg's limp is obv a monster.

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10-15-2009 , 01:24 PM

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pompeypoker

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you realize the monster-limping reg has already folded, right?

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10-15-2009 , 01:39 PM

#14

propewpew

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LOL hero = co obv acting after mp3 limp has folded obv your calling this why on earth would you fold -28% roi he has like 55 a ton here it is soooooo lawl it isnt even funy

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10-15-2009 , 01:41 PM

#15

Rebellz

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call the ******

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10-15-2009 , 01:54 PM

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Caramelldansen

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Originally Posted by pompeypoker

you realize the monster-limping reg has already folded, right?

whoooooooooops

snap call.

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10-15-2009 , 03:14 PM

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pompeypoker

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Originally Posted by Caramelldansen

whoooooooooops

snap call.

dw, you were somehow like the 4th person to make this mistake.
I did find it amusing how many people were convinced that somebody who had already folded, was going to have KK+ every time and call you.

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10-15-2009 , 03:18 PM

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dave1mo

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Originally Posted by pompeypoker

I thought the same thing, and was starting to doubt my sanity. Read over the HH 4-5 times to make sure I was right.

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10-15-2009 , 05:01 PM

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Caramelldansen

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Originally Posted by pompeypoker

well, what else would you put a solid reg on limping?

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10-15-2009 , 05:36 PM

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pompeypoker

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Originally Posted by Caramelldansen

well, what else would you put a solid reg on limping?

well, i don't know any solid regs that limp HJ with JJ+, but i know quite a few regs that limp small pairs here, so i'd guess 22-99, and maybe some broadway hands/sooted cards.

i only play turbos, but i assume people play similarly in the early levels of normal speed sngs.

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10-15-2009 , 05:55 PM

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VikingsFan93

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Guys thanks for your input, I really appreciate all of these responses! In game I did call this. Thanks again!

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