This has been killing me for days now, any insight would be appreciated!


4 players left 1st:$718 2nd:$584 3rd:$294: 4th:$185


Blinds 20,000/10,000/5,000a 12minute levels


Hero ~280k
Villain1300k
Villain2450k
Villain3~150k

Villain3 [UTG] folds
Hero opens to 55K
Villain1 [SB} folds
Villain2 is all- in [Has me covered]
Hero T/T - ??????

information: I've been the most aggressive since 4-handed opening lots of pots, and taking blinds/antes. My range hasn't been very wide I've actually been opening with Ax or better 90% of the time I've opened. The 3 Villains probably think my range is a lot wider then it actually is.

Villain3 Older guy mid 60's Hasn't played more then 3 hands on the final table and is clearly just trying to fold and wait, to move up on the cash ladder, certainly not going for the win.

Villain 2 Mid 20's also aggressive, shown bluffs. Me and him have been most active.( I'm only 20, myself)

Villain 3 Early 50's - somewhat active playing small pots IP played probably 20% of pots since it's been 4-handed.

Do we call or fold here?

make it std 40k and call a shove
as played still calling. pretty std.

Call= going for the win double up to 600K + 2x1 CL. If he has lower PP= best spot, or win race if he has AJ +

Fold= wait for a better spot with 11BBs remaining and still 3rd in chips. It's possible for his range to be JJ + and jamming to look weak

You have the 5th best hand in poker with 14 big blinds and a single shove. I get it that it's live and he's old but you still can't fold this. Also there's no reason to go that big on your open, like was already stated.

I raised less then 3x BB I guess I don't really min raise in very many spots, how would it have been more effective in this spot?

he's 20 yo, not even really old.

Oh I thought it was the ancient guy who shoved lol, which is why I even entertained this thread. This is a huge fist pump now.

The theory is that you induce him to shove a wider range by opening to a smaller size.

Lol the fact I'm 20 gives me a huge adv. in almost every structure where I play cards, I'm always the youngest at the table and everybody expects me to be the most aggressive, meaning I always get max value on my big hands/spots hence I'm seeking opinions on a final table tourney hand. Results: I fold and he showed Aces. Very sick fold where clearly many others like you two (knowitall's that didn't even read the full post) go broke.

Snap call. Not even really much to think about tbh. We have the top of our range and 14bb.

sick brag

I did read your whole post; I misread one detail in that I thought it was the 60 y/o guy who shoved. The fact that it was the young guy who you see as aggressive, and that you make this entire post where you outline how wide people perceive you, clearly makes this a terrible fold. You posted it looking for affirmation but no one here is going to tell you that you made a good play barring some live tellbox info that you witheld from the op.

I was waiting to post results until I had some insight, I took an extremely long time ( 3mins + ) and then said "Alright" and reached for my chips and hawk-eyed him at the same time, then mucked. This kid went onto to win, I took 3rd.

csb

Got any thoughts on villains range OP?

Not trying to be negative or berate anything, just gonna give some constructive criticism. This is just not a good play... 1010 is way to strong of a hand to fold in this spot. If your raise/folding 1010 with those stacks 4 handed then you will not be a winning player. Again not trying to be a d*ck but just being honest.

So you angle shot him and then made a nit fold after tanking for 3 minutes with 11bb? You must be a joy to play with.

I probably sound really rude here but that post saying "man everyone else would go broke here" kind of warrants it.

Not a nit fold. His over-bet even at these high of levels is made to look weak on purpose. Players either overbet to scare you off or they are begging for a call/ this time I guessed right, not bragging by any means. I want insight because although I was beat I was already pretty sure it was a bad lay-down, if that makes sense.

I just found the hand interesting also because sometimes instincts can be stronger then strategy.

Alright well don't take this the wrong way, since this is what the forum is for, but it's clear you're lacking some fundamentals if you see a 14bb shove over a 3x open as an "overbet." This induced you to make an incorrect fold.

You aren't taking into consideration: instincts, structure, or table image. You are the one lacking fundamentals sir.

omg 2nd page... plz!

Your instinct is based on a false premise (that he overbet) which lead you to the incorrect conclusion that he is more likely to be bladed. Structure can't be good enough to fold a top 3% hand with 14 bigs to standard action. You said he is aggressive and young (wide enough reshoving range), you are aggressive and young (wide enough opening range to induce reshoves), so that's even more of a reason to call.

I agree but how is posting a spot so dependant on gameflow on a strategy forum going to get you a good answer?

My balls would be clapping in joy seeing that shove. How did this thread go to more than 3 posts?

OP stop being such a douche and listen to the players who are better than you that have already posted. Maybe mark this thread up and re-visit it in 3 years (if you are still playing then)

bad fold

I'm sorry but you are wrong. If you want hands discussed try not defending making bad decisions.