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07-02-2010 , 12:05 PM

mckrogh

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20/40 Blinds (7 handed)

MP1 (t1350)
MP2 (t1045)
CO (t1395)
Button (t1025)
SB (t2770)
Hero (BB) (t1450)
UTG (t4465)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K

, A

3 folds, CO bets t120, 2 folds, Hero calls t80

Flop: (t260) 3

, 3

, 9

(2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets t260, Hero folds

Villian 12/1 filtered. But can i shove here with nfd and two possibel overcards?

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07-02-2010 , 12:28 PM

iDonkYoU

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I'm not sure what your sample size is, but you could jam pre against almost anyone.

Jamming the flop is +ev against most of his range. The only hand you have -equity against is AA, and even then it's close.

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07-02-2010 , 12:59 PM

AdamHeaney

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I definately shove flop, play preflop the same as you.

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07-02-2010 , 01:44 PM

Village Idiot

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Jam flop as played because he can easily have an over pair 1010-QQ to that flop and even if he has KK or AA you still have a fair amount of outs.
If he has 99 it's a semi cooler but even then you have outs.

I doubt he has 33 because quads are hard to make and being 12/1 unless the sample size is way small makes me think no chance he has 33.

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07-02-2010 , 01:55 PM

GMINTZ

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Why are you folding here? Your hand has superb equity against his range even if he has TT-QQ. Ship it in here and be happy with your decision.

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Originally Posted by Village Idiot

If he has 99 it's a semi cooler but even then you have outs.

Runner runner K's or A's

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07-02-2010 , 03:44 PM

iDonkYoU

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He's not going to pot 99 lol

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07-02-2010 , 04:42 PM

ExpectedV

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Raise pre jam pre raise flop all fine.

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07-02-2010 , 05:18 PM

Ronny Mahoni

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Guyz, you realised raise is 12/1? OP didnt said how many hands (Im assuming quite a bit cause hes 12/1, would be nice if you can tell that) but shoving over someone who has a PFR of 1 is burning money.

Its definitely folding>shoving/raising preflop. Even calling doesnt look to good, cause does this guy raise AQ pre? Same with TT? I dont think so tbh, and might just nit it up and fold pre.

However as played I just get it in. You will have like 13-14 outs on average making you a fav against his range. Eventhough Im sure he always has TT-AA here.

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07-02-2010 , 05:22 PM

mckrogh

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Its filtered over 116 hands in this level.

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07-02-2010 , 05:24 PM

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Ronny Mahoni

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In this case I like my above post.

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07-02-2010 , 05:26 PM

#11

movieman2g

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Originally Posted by Ronny Mahoni

In this case I like my above post.

i agree. you dont have to 3bet AK always, playing it like this is fine, imo, but crai on this flop is so money

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07-05-2010 , 10:42 PM

#12

Raizin_Azian

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I like the flat PF. We can jam-a-lam on this flop no matter what his range is.

RA

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07-05-2010 , 11:30 PM

#13

Deurdy

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I shove pf.

And for the love of god, how on god's green earth did you fold that flop??!!

Seriously, what the hell were you thinking?

Last edited by Deurdy; 07-05-2010 at 11:30 PM. Reason: c'mon...really??

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07-06-2010 , 12:37 AM

#14

Hirle

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I'd also get it in because "**** this ****"...

But just for good measure and to clear up some misconceptions;

-We can fold pre if he's on something insanely tight like TT, AK.
-We are not a favorite vs any overpair on the flop.
-We can not call vs any overpair on the flop (overlay ~=~ icmtax).

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07-06-2010 , 04:44 AM

#15

mckrogh

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I suck at poker - thats why I folded and thats why I posted the hand, so im not doing the same mistake again

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07-06-2010 , 07:35 AM

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Ronny Mahoni

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Originally Posted by Hirle

-We are not a favorite vs any overpair on the flop.

Are you sure? I mean against QQ for example we have 14-15 outs, so >50%?!

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07-06-2010 , 08:46 AM

#17

BusWanker

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Originally Posted by Ronny Mahoni

In this case I like my above post.

I also like said post.

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07-06-2010 , 10:04 AM

#18

Hirle

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Originally Posted by Ronny Mahoni

Are you sure? I mean against QQ for example we have 14-15 outs, so >50%?!

Unless my stove is ****ing up... yeah, 51/49 or something...

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07-06-2010 , 11:20 AM

#19

Bonneville

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I like the flat pf vs a villain this tight.

Flop just screams crai to me. His tight pfr stat makes 99 less likely, so we are looking at something like JJ+/AK maybe. We have good equity vs JJ,QQ,and other AK hands... and are at least 'live' vs his biggest hands. Plus, we always have some FE.

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07-06-2010 , 11:41 AM

#20

nathan5166

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If you put him on AK/TT+ and can't crai this flop, then you should be folding pre and letting him nit his blinds away. He can't possibly beat the table if he is playing that few hands unless he wins a few coolers.

Also I personally don't think 1% over 116 hands is really that significant and his CO range should be wider here (with this info, I would put him on AJs+, 99+). Besides, this flop is a perfect continuation bet flop if you have an ultra-tight image.

And you're not a favorite against the bigger PP like you normally are because of the redraws to full houses.

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07-06-2010 , 11:47 AM

#21

SPreston

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never ever ever ever ever ever ever folding this flop to that bet.

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