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3.5$ KQo early stationing it up? 3.5$ KQo early stationing it up?

11-13-2012 , 11:55 AM
Again no reads as early.

    Poker Stars, $3.16 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #14535991

    MP2: 1,500 (75 bb)
    MP3: 1,490 (74.5 bb)
    Hero (CO): 1,500 (75 bb)
    BTN: 1,470 (73.5 bb)
    SB: 1,510 (75.5 bb)
    BB: 1,500 (75 bb)
    UTG+1: 1,500 (75 bb)
    UTG+2: 1,530 (76.5 bb)
    MP1: 1,500 (75 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with Q K
    4 folds, MP3 calls 20, Hero raises to 80, BTN folds, SB calls 70, BB folds, MP3 calls 60

    Flop: (260) 2 K 5 (3 players)
    SB bets 130, MP3 folds, Hero calls 130

    Turn: (520) 3 (2 players)
    SB bets 260, Hero calls 260

    River: (1,040) K (2 players)
    SB bets 310, Hero calls 310




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    3.5$ KQo early stationing it up? Quote
    11-13-2012 , 12:02 PM
    This isn't the best river of course, but I can't see any reason to fold. I would say you have the best hand more than 50% of the time. I like your line, I don't like raising because we chase off too many hand that will keep firing if we call. Our hand looks like 99-QQ and they like to keep betting if we call. Espesh at this stake, they will show up with ridiculous hands on the river imo.
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    11-13-2012 , 09:17 PM
    Played well IMO.
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    11-13-2012 , 09:28 PM
    Agreed. Well played. Don't think I'd do anything different.
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    11-14-2012 , 01:17 AM
    I would've crammed his turn bet and before that I would've raised flop. He has Kx/FD wayyy more than set and he may even continue with a PP. He's just some dude in a $3 let's not play it slow

    Never fold river
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    11-14-2012 , 01:49 AM
    so i get that flat on the flop, but why aren't we raising/jamming the turn? could someone please explain it to me? i was thinking are value is coming form draws calling and worse kx, and KsJs> will call us and we'd be a slight fav, not to over think it but limp call donk could be a set so very little % of the time id feel safe not playing a scary river but then again, he may fire a bullet but like w/ cra8z's, river spade and he shows us js7s, tilt city
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    11-14-2012 , 07:56 AM
    seems fine.

    wheel?
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    11-14-2012 , 08:03 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Glitlr
    seems fine.

    wheel?
    I didnt lose the hand. Or did I?

    Its just that limp-call into donk bet into donk bet into donk bet is somthing I rarely see. Got scared.

    Spoiler:
    Does A 4 still count as wheel on the river?
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    11-14-2012 , 02:37 PM
    I think we should just let the guy keep barreling. L/c followed by a bunch of donks is def something connected to the board but I feel like the avg loose/passive guy folds weak Kx and fds to a turn jam.
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    11-14-2012 , 10:16 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TomoDaK
    I would've crammed his turn bet and before that I would've raised flop. He has Kx/FD wayyy more than set and he may even continue with a PP. He's just some dude in a $3 let's not play it slow

    Never fold river
    Man... when was the last time you played a 3$ sng? People can be so ****ing tight its ridiculous. I really miss the time were I could call a reg bvb 8BBs with QT.
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    11-14-2012 , 11:24 PM
    I just reviewed 6x $3/18s for a friend ~2 weeks ago and each game was chock full of morons.
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    11-15-2012 , 01:21 AM
    I think it's going to be super rare for this guy to take this line with a king or flopped set. Since he called an open pre oop I would have to assume that any kind of straight draw he could have here would have to be either A4 or A6 and I also think that the chances of him having a counterfeited two pair is incredibly slim. Calling pre oop is typically an indicator of a weak hand that our opponent judges as having a lot of potential and low suited connecters even a loose player is usually folding 67s and lower. He could definitely have A5 with his river bet being just a blocker, and I think he can have like 66-JJ based on his flop lead, though I think it's unlikely that he continues on the turn with other pocket pairs than 66. A lot of the pair combos he bets the turn with could bet the river like this as a blocker as well, but I don't know, that seems like a really strange line. He'd be more likely to have flopped a pair with some sort of draw which makes me lean more toward the weak Ax part of his range.

    Maybe we have odds to call on the river, but that card really does nothing to improve us vs his range. If we were ever behind, we're still behind. I think we're behind his range by a decent bit though. Maybe you want to run some numbers on the river decision giving him a bunch of a3-a6 combos, some mid pair combos, and maybe some strong AXss (KJ?) combs to visualize the kind of range he needs to have to make the river a call. I think in a cash game you kind of have to call here with 3:1. I feel like it's going to need to work out to him having something like 3 or 4 pair combos in his range to make this call. If it weren't for pot odds I think fold river would be best.

    I honestly kind of like value raising the flop. Maybe that's a bit off because he's only really going to be able to call with combo draws, but at the same time, we're almost always winning on that flop and there's so many scare cards on the turn. We only really want to see non spade 7-Q turns and rivers. It's probably best just to call in position though. If we're going to call the flop then I think we pretty much have to call the turn, and the odds on the river are so good that it's almost trivial to call I guess.

    Last edited by emitnulB; 11-15-2012 at 01:36 AM.
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    11-15-2012 , 01:46 AM
    Calling is the only option on the river, but I think a flop raise or at least a turn shove will be better. Your postflop play isn't really in tune with opening KQ here, know what I mean?
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    11-15-2012 , 09:28 AM
    Emit you make a lot of sense and I agree with your analysis. And yes sippin I know what you mean... thats why post, learn, get better and next time I post all responses will be nh wp.

    So, if we raise flop we are raise/calling or raise/folding?
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    11-15-2012 , 01:04 PM
    Getting it in, the hands he has that beat you are few. I can't think of many spots I'd value raise flop as pf aggressor and then fold to heat.
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    11-15-2012 , 02:34 PM
    I usually dont either. But someone who plays passive pre and suddensly gets aggressive post makes me cautios. + I see the goodies to often atm...
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    11-15-2012 , 03:17 PM
    Fair enough but readless in a $3.50 if he has you beat here then congrats to him.
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