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08-12-2010 , 12:01 PM
Poker Stars $3.00+$0.40 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 9 players
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No real stats for these guys yet, because it was maybe the 2nd-3rd hand of the Sng. Anyways my question is, do you think the bet on the river was okay? Now some may say the betsize was to small, but I think against the guys on these levels the betsize doesnt really have to much to say. Should I have just given up after the flop even though he showed so much weekness? (Preflop call, call, check, check)

UTG+2: t1500 50 BBs
MP1: t1490 49.67 BBs
MP2: t1520 50.67 BBs
Hero (CO): t1470 49 BBs
BTN: t1560 52 BBs
SB: t1480 49.33 BBs
BB: t1480 49.33 BBs
UTG: t1500 50 BBs
UTG+1: t1500 50 BBs

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is CO with J K
4 folds, MP2 calls t30, Hero raises to t120, 3 folds, MP2 calls t90

Flop: (t285) A 6 7 (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets t150, MP2 calls t150

Turn: (t585) 6 (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero checks

River: (t585) 5 (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets t210, MP2 calls t210
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08-12-2010 , 12:19 PM
As played, bet the flop, then give up. At this level villain quite often has a raggy A he is more than willing to call down with
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08-12-2010 , 12:29 PM
you have some showdown value against missed flush draws, i don't think you should be betting the river here. you're only going to get hands worse than yours to fold and hands better than yours to call. once you bet the flop and get called and then check the turn, definitely check the river.
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08-12-2010 , 12:50 PM
Yeah after I played the Hand I felt like a complete donk. But on the other side betting on the river is on of the most profitable things you can do against veeerryyy bad players, because they then see that their 72 cant improve anymore =D Yeah but i guess aswell check. Risking to many chips..
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08-12-2010 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by TomskiP
you have some showdown value against missed flush draws, i don't think you should be betting the river here. you're only going to get hands worse than yours to fold and hands better than yours to call. once you bet the flop and get called and then check the turn, definitely check the river.
+1

after you check turn and bet smallish on the river, no hands (that beat yours) are folding river after calling the flop.
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08-12-2010 , 01:01 PM
+1 to tom pretty much
A. Think about the card you're betting on. What hits the 5? 34/89/55. If you bet here you're representing those hands or maybe a 88-KK that decided to bet again (but most people just check those here) so villain is rarely gonna believe you even if he's not actively thinking about that.
B. When you bet you fold any worse hands he has and he will always call with any pair. If he decided to peel one with 88 on flop or 44 if he's rly bad he'll def call you now, any 7 calls, etc
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08-12-2010 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Das Wodka
Yeah after I played the Hand I felt like a complete donk. But on the other side betting on the river is on of the most profitable things you can do against veeerryyy bad players, because they then see that their 72 cant improve anymore =D Yeah but i guess aswell check. Risking to many chips..
Just as a point of note, you would get the same value Vs their 72 by checking as you would by betting. However by betting you are risking more chips when you could just check anyway. You dont need to bet Vs their 72, as you are ahead of it and they aint calling.
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08-12-2010 , 02:33 PM
Any opinions on OP raising a limper from CO with KJs at 15/30 blinds ? Maybe i'm too nit but at these blind levels and 15 tables going on I just let go that kind of hands.
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08-12-2010 , 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by greenstack
Any opinions on OP raising a limper from CO with KJs at 15/30 blinds ? Maybe i'm too nit but at these blind levels and 15 tables going on I just let go that kind of hands.
I'm with you, and if you don't hit the flop, there is no reason to put any more money into the pot. I hesitate to call this a -EV play because I'm not that smart but I believe I'm not that far off.
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08-12-2010 , 06:27 PM
i'm on the fold the river bandwagon.

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Originally Posted by greenstack
Any opinions on OP raising a limper from CO with KJs at 15/30 blinds ? Maybe i'm too nit but at these blind levels and 15 tables going on I just let go that kind of hands.
yea this is something i was wondering too.
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08-12-2010 , 07:46 PM
In the 3.40 at Stars.

Personally, I play this hand completely differently. With blinds still at 15-30, I'm super tight. KJo will be in the muck in a blink. KJs late position -- and I'll probably be criticized for this, it's a limp for me ... ummmmmm maybe.

Afterwards, I get what you're doing, it's way too early here for me. I'm not investing big amounts with an overcard A on the board, and me with only a backdoor flush draw this early. I know he's looking weak, but just not right time and place IMHO. If you feel you have to c-bet the flop (I can see why), I give it up when I'm called.
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