Poker Stars $25+$2 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds - 5 players
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UTG: t2970
CO: t4130
BTN: t2015
Hero (SB): t2220
BB: t2165

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with J T
1 fold, CO calls t200, 1 fold, Hero calls t100, BB checks

Flop: (t600) J 9 8 (3 players)
Hero bets t600, BB folds, CO raises to t1200, Hero ?

Wanted to play this hand vs these players because they are very bad. Is that a good reason, or should I fold this pf? CO limps a lot.

i guess if you knew that these players are weak then limping is ok. i think u have to get it in on the flop now

I'm not so sure if you can get it all in here. What is CO limping that you beat? If he has KJ AJ JQ QQ KK AA you're behind, and what else will he raise the flop with? Pretty read dependent imo, if you think he could do this with like 67s or something then sure, you're now getting pot odds, but I don't see him raising with a hand you beat. Unless you have a read that says otherwise I think a limp is either 1) serious strength, and he wants value from an overpair or 2) two broadway cards that he didn't wan to raise (because he was scared or wanted a cheap flop) and any two broadway cards either missed (in which case he's likely folding) or have you dominated. You are probably getting odds if he has a hand like KJ because you're at 40% to win the hand, but if he has JQ then any ten gives him a straight and he is holding one of your straight outs.

Lol, I don't know. If you think he's doing this with rubbish, then it's obviously a shove, and if he has a range of QQ KK AA KJ JQ AJ 76s your equity is:

Board: 9d 8s Js
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.991% 39.31% 01.68% 17904 763.50 { JcTd }
Hand 1: 59.009% 57.33% 01.68% 26109 763.50 { QQ+, AJs, KJs, QJs, 76s, AJo, KJo, QJo }


If you think you can fold and still have a shot at the money, go ahead, but you still have some equity regardless and you now have 800 of your 2200 chips invested. He could also have a set I guess...

i fold very quick to minraise

I would play this hand preflop every time, and usually c/r the flop.

But how often does he raise? How many dominating Jx are in his range pre?

I think tacgnol's range of QQ+, AJs, KJs, QJs, 76s, AJo, KJo, QJo is fair.

Is check/raising all in the standard here?

i don't mind the limp pf vs bad players

i'd prefer CRAI than leading out, as played though i'd get it AI to his min raise

Playing this every time sounds pretty bad. I understand the limp, but would be more inclined to shove it, usually. We're obviously happy to get it in on the flop.

Even without knowing his pfr%, surely villain raises a lot of those hands from the CO.

I like the c/r, because you said the players are very bad, bad limpers tend to bet every flop that is checked to them. This board will get semi-bluffed often.

Why?

I would complete here every time getting 5-1 and with hand playing good postflop like JTs. With over 10bb and against bad players its ok imo. If they are bad...then bigstack CO limp is not really strong and he probably is not trapping...with antes I would consider even push preflop. As played...check the flop and let they give some more information before deciding what to do...I would be broke against BB but maybe not CO on this flop.

Preflop is very villian dependant, and so is flop. You're getting great odds, but if his range is very wide a push is more profitable.

I would be more inclined to to CRAI, but if villian is overly aggro I wouldn't mind a bet/call or b3b.

Because you're OOP and usually end up losing 5% of our remaining stack at a critical stage.

Agree with this. Very happily getting my chips in on that flop.

Easy push after you're minraised. You have 40% equity against VERY tight range, and if a villain is a fish, I would rather put him on T9, T8, Jx, flushdraw, AT, KT, etc. than QQ+, KJ, AJ, QJ. Against these hands you are a big favourite.

Pre-flop is fine but this is about the worst hand I'd do it with.

If you're not planning on getting it in, don't pot (or bet for that matter) the flop.

If you think CO stabs at the pot wide, CRAI.

As played, I'd fold. The only hands you're happy to see him turn over are AsXs and T9 (and I don't think he min-raises with either).

I think anyone saying you should fold to his minbet is crazy as well.

What is the reasoning behind why a CRAI is better than leading with the intention of going all the way?

By now it's too late to fold cuz you have too much invested, but the idea of a c/r here is that he can bet a lot of hands that are worse than yours which may or may not stack off, and when you bet and he raises his range just got wayyyyy narrower, so now you're in a spot where you have probably zero fold equity and aren't in the best shape against his range, but if you checked it to villain who bet 400 then you shove, you have a lot of FE to just take it down and his range became a lot wider.

I would guess because villain never folds when you shove over his reraise. He is getting much worse odds when you CRAI and bet/folds some hands you are racing with or would have folded had you led.

edit: oops didn't see sippins answer b4 responding

ya sure

lol, yes it took me 5 minutes to type two sentences. I'm quick like that.