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09-05-2007 , 05:24 PM
Hi,

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero (t1735)
CO (t1445)
Button (t2995)
SB (t1510)
BB (t1460)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1300)
MP1 (t1555)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 8, 8.
UTG calls t30, 2 folds, Hero calls t30, 1 fold, Button calls t30, SB completes, BB raises to t150, UTG calls t120, Hero calls t120, Button calls t120, SB folds.

Flop: (t630) 4, T, T (4 players)
BB bets t210, UTG folds, Hero calls t210, Button calls t210.

Turn: (t1260) A (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, Button bets t420, BB folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t1260

I feel bad about this hand.
BB raiser is a regular, I think he is good 13/8 stats 9-7 handed.
Button is an unknown 30/20 after a few hands.

Preflop is a fold with 2 players behind, right ? Maybe even without the limpers ?

On the flop, I think he bets his entire preflop range or really close to it but the call is probably still bad with button to act behind.

Only turn seems ok to me.

What to you think ?
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09-05-2007 , 05:32 PM
I'd let it go on the flop.
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09-05-2007 , 05:33 PM
Fold preflop
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09-05-2007 , 05:34 PM
easyyy fold pf
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09-05-2007 , 09:40 PM
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easyyy fold pf
Can you explain? My reasoning behind calling would be 2 callers already 1 more likely and a somewhat healthy stack to make the call. If the 8 hits youre going to get paid off. Why is this an easy fold pf?
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09-05-2007 , 09:53 PM
PF seems close and on the flop I fold all the time esp if he's that tight he's probably not raising AQ from the BB after the limpers.
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09-05-2007 , 10:33 PM
Preflop I'd call with UTG's limp/call, but I'd kick myself if one of the players still to act re-raised.

It seems like a clear fold on the flop with three opps seeing the flop.
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09-05-2007 , 10:38 PM
I let it go on the flop.

That said I think pf is really close, your getting around 4-1 on the call and will flop it 1 in 8. But this is for set value only?!!!!!!! unless the flop comes 567 I'm tossing this flop with no set.

The pf I think is more + chip ev than T EV but this is marginal. I only have problem with the flop.
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09-05-2007 , 10:44 PM
Def limp/fold preflop.
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09-05-2007 , 10:53 PM
after limping, i happily call that preflop raise with your stack of 1735. button and sb are going to reraise/push preflop about never. assuming one of them call another 120, you are getting really good odds on your set. plus with the pot being so big and so many opponents, you will stack someone just about ever time you hit a set and sometimes you will stack two opponents if the board is right.

just check/fold flop. the preflop raiser is c-betting into 3 opponents, he will have an overpair a lot plus you still have button to deal with.
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09-06-2007 , 03:41 AM
Im not a huge fan of putting 150 in pf here but Im making the call based on the action, but I am folding it on the flop for the reasons little john mentioned
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09-06-2007 , 04:02 AM
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after limping, i happily call that preflop raise with your stack of 1735. button and sb are going to reraise/push preflop about never. assuming one of them call another 120, you are getting really good odds on your set. plus with the pot being so big and so many opponents, you will stack someone just about ever time you hit a set and sometimes you will stack two opponents if the board is right.

just check/fold flop. the preflop raiser is c-betting into 3 opponents, he will have an overpair a lot plus you still have button to deal with.
I agree as well, your only looking for the set on the flop, as played. Check/fold the flop. The implied odds leave the call as a 3 to 1 call right? I dont remember the numbers...
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09-06-2007 , 04:16 AM
I think a better question is what the hell does the BB have to take that line?
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09-06-2007 , 04:21 AM
I'd probably call pf but flop is instafold. So many guys it is hard to be ahead on the flop, and what are good turn cards? You have reverse implied odds on the flop.
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09-06-2007 , 04:50 AM
k, I agree with most of you (call pre / fold flop) but ...

If there was nobody behind and I was only HU, I think the call is good on the flop, getting 4:1 on his small c-bet as most vilain don't fire a second bullet unimproved here and AK / AQ is probably close to half his range.
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09-06-2007 , 06:08 AM
i'd fold preflop too, but if the raise was to like 120 i would definitely call, so i suppose it's close. and if there was more than just one caller before me, then i would be much more inclined to call.
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09-06-2007 , 06:19 AM
Also RPatterson : I have no reverse implied odds as I don't plan to put any other chip in the pot unimproved. And I like your Curtains avatar. Reason behind ?
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