Hi,

Early, no reads on vilain

PokerStars Tournament, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t1750)
UTG+1 (t1410)
Hero (t1410)
MP2 (t1090)
CO (t1560)
Button (t1810)
SB (t1240)
BB (t3230)

Preflop: Hero is in MP1 with 5 5
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to t90, Hero calls t90, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds

Flop: (t225) 2 6 3 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets t120, Hero ?

Fold always ?

Yeah, I am pretty much always letting this go. This early, no set = no bet for me.

Yes unless i have a ninja read that he will fold if I re-raise. No set no bet.

U do not have much showdown equity here as a lot of turn & river cards are going to be overs.
Even if u call and the turn checks through you more likely will be facing a bet on the river.
You are not getting odds to hit a 5.
When villian raised PF with an overpair you will be bet into on the turn again.

OT. We did not cover ourselves in glory either on Sunday Evening 32-17 WTF.

OT. yeah but at least you won

I can see peeling a card here. It's pretty unlikely he hit and we have a gutshot.

Sorry, what does "peeling a card" mean, plz ?

Sorry, call.

am I the only one who mucks this pre?

You want to call this for set value since there's a good chance of stacking your opponent.

I muck preflop. If there's a caller in between or I'm in later posion I'm more likely to call.

call flop. check behind on turn unimproved. call small bet on river unimproved. win pot. (fold turn unimproved)

usually folding is the most prudent move. I can see a call vs some opponents.

i fold preflop.

i call the flop bet, both due to the gutshot and lack of a big card on the flop. you are ahead of his range at this point in the hand.

Fold PF? Don't we have to call for set value?

I fold it preflop as well. There is no guaranty you will even get to see the flop with so many others acting behind you.

set mining ftw!

The whole point is that we have to fold to a reraise and are in EP so we aren't guaranteed to see a flop. If there is another caller between us, I call behind. If the table is beyond passive, then I guess its ok.

minraise maybe? only to throw in an unconventional line .

I fold PF for the reason already cited, ie that we are not sure that our 90 call will actually allow us to see the flop. If we were the BB and were closing the action, then I would agree calling a 3X raise is appropriate with a low pair. Here, we don't have that luxury.

Preflop: YOU MUST FOLD! Early in a SNG you should be playing very tight. Calling in a late position with a small pocket pair after a caller or two is a great situation, or if you were in the small blind in this hand it would also be good. But with five active players behind you, any of whom could raise and force you out you lose your t90. And even if you do get to see a flop you will be folding almost all but those you flop a set in when villain bets out.

Flop: Villain could have a lot of hands here if he is a loose player, but you don't really know for sure. This looks just like a continuation bet after a missed high card hand. It could certainly be an overpair, but it's less likely. Be aggressive here and make the high-card hands fold. RAISE TO t350. If you get called and don't improve check the rest of the way, or fold to any bet. If he calls and you do improve bet for value against his most-likely overpair. But most of the time he will fold to your flop raise.

This is one of those weird situations where you should keep playing a small pair after the flop even tho you missed your set.

As much as I hate to encourage the min raise, I actually think this is a pretty good spot to try this. Maybe to 245 or 250 to make it look more authentic. Only real downside is if you get 3-bet-bluffed a lot, which I doubt happens.

I would also fold pre, however, for the reasons others have given.

call pre / call flop is my line for reasons others (mostly darin) have stated

It's funny. Several years ago we used to argue about whether limping small pockets preflop from EP or MP hoping to flop a set was correct.

Pretty much everybody now agrees limping is good and we've moved on to arguing about whether calling raises with the same hand and position is correct.

Tune in next year and we'll be raising with them from UTG.

Seriously, I don't think calling here is "wrong" but I do think folding is better. Since you will have to occassionally fold to a reraise you need better than normal implied odds to make up for it and we usually are not deep enough in STTs, IMO.

Can anybody here who normally calls as their standard play check their PT database to see if they're actually profitable in the long run calling?

My biggest problem with the call flop line is that the number of unknowns who will actually shut down on the turn with high cards is far less in reality than we would like it to be. I like calling a lot more with a read against a regular.

i think it is close, but i always fold my small pockets (22-55) from ep/mp if there is already a raise. i can probably be convinced to call...

i think this would work best if there are several loose/passive/bad players left to act.

if there are a bunch of tight/solid players left to act then probably best to fold. because if these guys call they are not stacking off real easy.