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, tough spot on turn with QJ , tough spot on turn with QJ

09-01-2010 , 05:32 PM
Made a somewhat loose open pre because the table is not very tough and we're close to the money. BB is playing 23/9 and last orbit defended T7o and 2barreled once I checked back a Kxxr flop.

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MP2: t8902 M = 7.42
CO: t9576 M = 7.98
BTN: t7679 M = 6.40
SB: t11552 M = 9.63
BB: t39540 M = 32.95
UTG: t11131 M = 9.28
UTG+1: t17255 M = 14.38
Hero (UTG+2): t19773 M = 16.48
MP1: t10659 M = 8.88

Pre Flop: (t1200) Hero is UTG+2 with J Q
2 folds, Hero raises to t1000, 5 folds, BB calls t500

Flop: (t2700) 5 T J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t1450, BB raises to t4000, Hero calls t2550

Turn: (t10700) K (2 players)
BB bets t7500, Hero ...
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09-01-2010 , 05:53 PM
ugly spot, i probably just shove it in here due to your read or call with the intention of calling all rivers but any Q
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09-01-2010 , 05:58 PM
Yeah, that open raise is a little light, as you are now in a tough spot. Can we give BB credit for pocket 10’s through Aces pre? Probably not since he would have likely popped your raise, especially if he has been playing aggressively. I suppose he could have flopped a set of 10’s or Jacks, but it really smells like baby flush draw trying to use his large stack to splash with. After the turn your not quite getting pot odds of 2.5, with an open ended draw and second pair. Sounds like a call, the tricky part is to call, your calling off half your stack. Your really stuck if a diamond hits on the river. Honestly, I probably shove, with decent showdown value as it stands now, plus a decent chance to improve.
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09-01-2010 , 06:01 PM
I'd fold to the c/r against an unknown random, they're rarely doing this as a bluff. Since you have a good read that he's a spaz, for the love of god get it in on the turn.
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09-01-2010 , 07:21 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by itscml
I'd fold to the c/r against an unknown random, they're rarely doing this as a bluff.
he might do it with so many draws on that board. id prolly get it in ott against this guy. should be an icm fold tho.
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09-02-2010 , 01:13 AM
You're right of course, um. Decent turn for us all things considered.
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09-02-2010 , 01:29 AM
I think this is fine and i get it in on the turn too..i like the min raise of his bb given reads
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09-02-2010 , 03:07 AM
I cbet at least 1.8k on this flop
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09-02-2010 , 08:01 AM
why the hell are we opening this garbage from EP with 5 resteal stacks and one maniac yet to act?? This seems a pretty big leak to me

edit...just read OP again and even then I think we open wider in LP than this, which is possibly the nut worse hand, in EP
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09-02-2010 , 08:22 AM
I think I would:

Fold pre...
Fold to c/r on the flop
as played fold turn.
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09-02-2010 , 12:11 PM
The math is probably pretty close but action/info/bet-sizing really makes me want to fold. Seems like JT/55 a lot.

Pre is pretty meh and I'm ok with calling c/r on flop.
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09-02-2010 , 03:56 PM
I would go with my reads on the flop with how wet that board is and either fold or jam it in right there. I think pre is probably a leak unless you have #'s saying that the most the players behind you are pretty big nits.
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09-02-2010 , 04:18 PM
i fold pre
i cbet more 1700-2000
and then fold to c\r
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09-02-2010 , 05:08 PM
he has KQ, fold

Last edited by spewtastick; 09-02-2010 at 05:08 PM. Reason: you can call me DN cause I read hands like a pro
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09-02-2010 , 05:51 PM
I'm pretty sure the reshove stacks don't even know what a reshove is. Most likely they would flat the minraise and play fit or fold on the flop. I figured getting it in if I flop TP or OESD and <20bbs can't be that bad?

spoiler: he did not have KQ
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