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03-21-2010 , 07:47 AM
Was not at all concerned about UTG+1 but didnt like the flat call of his shove by MP1 he seemed pretty tight and not done anything out of line he was at 13/8 over ~50 hands.

Is this a fold and wait for a better spot? Didnt seem like there were gonna be many better spots for getting it in without blinding down a lot more.

Thanks in advance

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UTG: t16414 M = 16.41
UTG+1: t2977 M = 2.98
MP1: t12962 M = 12.96
MP2: t12602 M = 12.60
CO: t8959 M = 8.96
BTN: t10515 M = 10.52
Hero (SB): t5587 M = 5.59
BB: t56977 M = 56.98

Pre Flop: (t1000) Hero is SB with T T
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t2927 all in, MP1 calls t2927, 3 folds, Hero raises to t5537 all in, 1 fold, MP1 calls t2610

Flop: (t14801) 6 3 5

Turn: (t14801) 7

River: (t14801) Q
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03-21-2010 , 08:16 AM
I shove here. You're 14 BB's deep and antes have kicked in. Like you say there's not gunna be many other oppurtunities.

His call could mean either he's trapping or that he's scared of the stacks behind him having him beat but he can't pass up 'yet another oppurtunity'. He may be prepared to fold even to an overshove for his whole stack which is obv. terrible but people do.

U've prob got half of his range crushed: A2-A9 and the other half has you crushed (except KJ, KQ or maybe AJ) because I think he shoves AQ+ to isolate. So with the money in the pot and your equity against the initial raiser's range, it seems to be time to gamble.
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03-21-2010 , 08:42 AM
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 38.174% 37.73% 00.45% 910876620 10769406.00 { 22+, A2s+, KTs+, QJs, A7o+, KJo+ }
Hand 1: 61.826% 61.38% 00.45% 1481933208 10769406.00 { TT }
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03-21-2010 , 08:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mirrychristmas
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 38.174% 37.73% 00.45% 910876620 10769406.00 { 22+, A2s+, KTs+, QJs, A7o+, KJo+ }
Hand 1: 61.826% 61.38% 00.45% 1481933208 10769406.00 { TT }
MP1 was quite tight, I doubt its 22+ A2s+ more like:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 48.385% 47.64% 00.75% 494338140 7735746.00 { 88+, A9s+, KQs, ATo+ }
Hand 1: 51.615% 50.87% 00.75% 527846592 7735746.00 { TT }

But as stated above he is probably shoving AQ,AK to isolate

So pretty close I guess but, gotta stick it in there.

Just seems like 12-16bb is real danger zone for me, its just shove and hope as I cant really steal with marginal holdings without committing.

Or can I?
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03-21-2010 , 09:43 AM
^why are putting only 2 hands into stove? were going to be faced being ai against 2 hands here since mp1 is never ever folding to our jam. seems close
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03-21-2010 , 11:18 AM
When people are tight and flat a 7.5 BB shove, that could easily mean a strong Ace that wants to get it in just as much as a big pair. I think this is a spot where you have an excuse to nit it up because of him being tight, but equity-wise, a call is probably correct.
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03-21-2010 , 12:03 PM
I look at this as an opportunity to almost tripple up and TT shortstacked
(M6) is a clear shove imo..Given UTG+1 stack I think we'r in a pretty good shape against his range and if MP is still on his "tight modus"..TT still gives us enough equity
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03-21-2010 , 12:21 PM
I agree that if MP1 had shoved it's AQ+ to iso so it's a snap call. There is no way he is folding this hand since you have no fold equity. The question is, why is he flatting here? I normally would be P/F in his position (with UTG+1 all in) and the only way I'm flatting is with a much stronger hand than the ranges given above - QQ+. It's possible that he's afraid of the big stack but hard to read. I think you can fold here and pick a better spot, as much as I hate to fold that hand with the equity in the pot. Either way you play it I'm okay with it, and more often than not I find myself shoving this hand even if I should be reading a much stronger hand.
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