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10-26-2009 , 11:30 PM

flettl2

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Full Tilt Poker $22 + $2 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t150/t300 Blinds - 4 players
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Hero (BTN): t3475 M = 7.72
SB: t2450 M = 5.44
BB: t5630 M = 12.51
CO: t1945 M = 4.32

Pre Flop: (t450) Hero is BTN with Q

1 fold, Hero raises to t725, SB raises to t2450 all in, 2 folds

Villain is 8/8 over 70 hands filtered 4-6 handed.

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10-26-2009 , 11:35 PM

jurrasstoil

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looks like you are crushed.

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10-26-2009 , 11:51 PM

Daisy Juice

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Fold. You have a comfortable stack and there is a shorty.

You're either crushed or a slight dog if he is pushing ax hands and his pairs.

I'd happily move onto the next hand.

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10-27-2009 , 04:15 AM

Kvaughan

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seems like a trivially easy fold.

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10-27-2009 , 04:31 AM

SnG4life

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Yeah, pretty easy fold for me as well.

I rather shove or fold on these situations to avoid facing these awkward decisions.

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10-27-2009 , 06:15 AM

Deurdy

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Since he is that tight you'd have to fold here it seems.
If he was looser you'd probably have to call.

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10-27-2009 , 07:35 AM

Th3_S1aught3r

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whats the point of raise /folding? If you are planning on raise/fold you should just open shove or fold pre, I prefer shove.
But as played, fold.

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10-27-2009 , 08:43 AM

Bendik

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You definitely need to shove or fold preflop. A raise/fold is like bluffing with ATC, which is -EV.

I'd shove if BB was tight as well, but if he was loose I think this is a fold.

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10-27-2009 , 09:02 AM

Deurdy

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Originally Posted by Th3_S1aught3r

whats the point of raise /folding? If you are planning on raise/fold you should just open shove or fold pre, I prefer shove.
But as played, fold.

If villains are as tight as 8/8 it's is definitely better r/f than shove or fold imo.
In the few occasions they come over the top you can still abort and have a good stack size. Otherwise we pick up the blinds.

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10-27-2009 , 09:10 AM

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AllyMN

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I think the play here with KQo on the button on the bubble is pretty much going to be based on the table dynamics.

I think it's ok to raise here on the bubble if everyone else is playing super tight on the bubble and will let you make a steal here.

But, if our big stack in the BB is playing an aggressive bubble strategy, he can pretty much shove ATC to be profitable here, especially if you've been active.

If he's capable of making that play, I'm pretty much folding anything I don't want to go with here on the button.

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10-27-2009 , 11:43 AM

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MoneyBags

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with given stack sizes in the blinds(also the shorty is hitting blinds next hand), and the fact that villian is so tight, i prefer raise- folding here. we leave are self with a fairly decent stack rather then destroying it when we run into ak for example when we would have shoved.

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10-27-2009 , 11:54 AM

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CastleBravo79

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Originally Posted by Deurdy

If villains are tight I completely agree with this, because when they 3bet they always have it.

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