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11-08-2009 , 06:51 PM

Okerchamp

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Full Tilt Poker $38,000 Guarantee No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t1000/t2000 Blinds + t250 - 8 players
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BB: t51513 M = 10.30
UTG: t62848 M = 12.57
UTG+1: t37486 M = 7.50
MP1: t65205 M = 13.04
Hero (MP2): t33916 M = 6.78
CO: t32534 M = 6.51
BTN: t47059 M = 9.41
SB: t41209 M = 8.24

Pre Flop: (t5000) Hero is MP2 with J

1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t6000, 1 fold, [color=red]Hero ?

Villain: vp$ip: 21 PFraise: 12

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11-08-2009 , 06:58 PM

Kataklysmos

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A 3bet commits us here.. I don't hate a fold in this spot but I'm likely shoving and taking the flip esp. ITM with a little fold equity on his stack.

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11-08-2009 , 07:05 PM

sjp507

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fist pump shove, you could flat i suppose assuming youre calling any shove.

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11-08-2009 , 07:08 PM

SGT RJ

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Shove all day, every day. M under 7 and pocket jacks? Fist pump.

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11-08-2009 , 07:10 PM

Okerchamp

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It´s just the combination of his stacksize and betsize that makes it scream: QQ or JJ!

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11-08-2009 , 07:26 PM

SGT RJ

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Well, I'd discount JJ, since you have that. If he's got QQ-AA he'll call and you're likely done. If he's got AK or AQ he's probably calling and you have to survive a coin flip. If he's got AJ or worse, or TT or worse, he may call and you've got the better of it.

Still, given our M and having JJ, I'd have to have a read that the villain was a super nit to fold this here, which is pretty much never the case, and since a 3 bet commits us, I shove.

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11-08-2009 , 07:36 PM

Okerchamp

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I was so sure he had QQ.. But well.. at the end I came to the same conclusion as you guys and lost the allin to QQ

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11-08-2009 , 07:55 PM

CaliStyle

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SHIP IT, Do not flat please!

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11-08-2009 , 08:03 PM

Okerchamp

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What do you think his range is?

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11-08-2009 , 08:11 PM

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jon89

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Always shove. At least then you dont have to make a tough decision on flop if you flatted!

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11-08-2009 , 08:15 PM

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swifttarrow

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Shove. Your stack can't wait out much longer with 16BB's. A 21/12 probably opens something like 88+, AJo+ from UTG. (I'm guestimating, you can check with pokerstove; top 6% of hands is like TT+/AK ~ 45 combos, so i'd imagine 12% to be 88+/AJ ~95 combos.)

Realize he has 17BB's, so he should not be opening and folding many hands to a 3 bet. Thus, you should probably fold AJ/88 here, as that would be at the bottom of his opening range. Hands like AQ/99 would then become the breakeven mark against his range, and I'd likely get it in with these too as the aggressor, happily flipping with my 16BB stack.

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11-08-2009 , 08:29 PM

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gobucks27

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I shove with 16 bbs unless raiser is complete nit.

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11-08-2009 , 08:34 PM

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ssnyc

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jesus...how are not snap shipping here

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11-08-2009 , 09:02 PM

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FeNeF

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Originally Posted by ssnyc

jesus...how are not snap shipping here

This, seriously.. he doesn't even have ubernitty stats. Stick it in and be happy about it unless you have some superduper read you're not telling us about.

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11-08-2009 , 09:32 PM

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djkelly69

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assuming he is a random, he is 3x-ing way wider than QQ+ here with ~18bbs.

nh.

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11-08-2009 , 10:05 PM

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Okerchamp

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Yeah you are right.. his range must be 88+ AJ+ ATs or something like that

It´s just when you are guessing the exact hand he has.. and shoves into it anyway and looses. dammit!

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11-08-2009 , 10:08 PM

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CaliStyle

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Poker is a game of variance. Make the most optimal play for each hand, do not worry about those times you get called when you are behind or the times your opponent gets lucky and beats you.

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11-08-2009 , 11:35 PM

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w00t77

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Originally Posted by Okerchamp

I was so sure he had QQ.. But well.. at the end I came to the same conclusion as you guys and lost the allin to QQ

Wow, you have some sick instincts (similar to Hellmuth)...u should have went with your instincts and fold

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