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 FTP - 14k - 65o resteal spot  FTP - 14k - 65o resteal spot

11-04-2008 , 04:49 PM
Full Tilt Poker $14,000 Guarantee No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t1500/t3000 Blinds + t400 - 8 players
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MP2: t55168
CO: t37100
BTN: t49644
SB: t111992
Hero (BB): t45576
UTG: t59356
UTG+1: t30967
MP1: t38556

Pre Flop: (t7700) Hero is BB with 6 5
6 folds, SB raises to t9900, Hero raises to t45176 all in

No read on villain but he is obviously opening pretty wide here with his stack size. Am I too short to have much FE here?

Spewy? Standard? Thoughts?
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11-04-2008 , 04:57 PM
spewy, you dont have enough FE
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11-04-2008 , 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by youcanhaveitall
spewy, you dont have enough FE
yeah, hes getting close to 1.8:1 or something, im not sure you can get him to fold something like A9 or KT if hes decent enough to know

and if he isnt, he might just call anyways

do you have a read that hes a clueless nit or what?
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11-04-2008 , 05:02 PM
If the villian didnt raise more than 3x then I might consider it if he had stolen my blind a couple of times

To me the villians initial raise makes it seem that he is committed to calling your all in
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11-04-2008 , 05:12 PM
Don't like it, given that you have no reads and are basing your move only on his stack size.

Personally think there are better spots than this to increase your stack at this stage in the tournament.
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11-04-2008 , 05:21 PM
I like , especially late in MTTs . You have ALOT of FE IMO


btw .: I were at your table and played about 90 hands with Vilian , he L/F to a 10 BB shove before .
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11-04-2008 , 05:43 PM
In spots like this, I've generally found that you have less FE on FTP than you would have on PS. People on FTP, while generally weaker, tend to call shoves more consistently when getting good pot odds.

Then there's the fact that this is BvB, which means that somewhat different standards apply for evaluating villain's intentions here. Usually, facing this sort of raise from the SB, your FE <= 0. If they had the intention to fold, they would min raise or some other sort of nonsense. Given that your stack size has only a modicum of FE against a 3x raise, I think you have very little against a 3.3x raise.

This wouldn't be so much of a problem if your hand played better against villain's calling range; depending on strength, you don't need very much fold equity. But 65o is a pretty crappy hand to be restealing with, meaning you need a good amount of FE to make up for those times you're called.

Bad spot, imo.
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11-04-2008 , 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by PageUp
In spots like this, I've generally found that you have less FE on FTP than you would have on PS. People on FTP, while generally weaker, tend to call shoves more consistently when getting good pot odds.

Then there's the fact that this is BvB, which means that somewhat different standards apply for evaluating villain's intentions here. Usually, facing this sort of raise from the SB, your FE <= 0. If they had the intention to fold, they would min raise or some other sort of nonsense. Given that your stack size has only a modicum of FE against a 3x raise, I think you have very little against a 3.3x raise.

This wouldn't be so much of a problem if your hand played better against villain's calling range; depending on strength, you don't need very much fold equity. But 65o is a pretty crappy hand to be restealing with, meaning you need a good amount of FE to make up for those times you're called.

Bad spot, imo.

I'm usually under the impression when looking for a resteal spot that I want to do it with a hand that fares well vs. a fairly narrow calling range. I.E. restealing with 89s is better than JTs because its much more likely you're opponent raised with a J or a T in his hand than with an 8 or a 9.

Against someone who has a wide opening range but a fairly narrow calling range. Say 22+/KJ+ for example. What hands would ideal to resteal with?
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11-04-2008 , 06:28 PM
Fold. Not enough FE.
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11-04-2008 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by just_me_but......
I like , especially late in MTTs . You have ALOT of FE IMO


btw .: I were at your table and played about 90 hands with Vilian , he L/F to a 10 BB shove before .
oooooops ,
I were at your table and didnt noticed SB raised LOL.

Bad spot , no FE !!
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11-04-2008 , 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Margin Of Error
I'm usually under the impression when looking for a resteal spot that I want to do it with a hand that fares well vs. a fairly narrow calling range. I.E. restealing with 89s is better than JTs because its much more likely you're opponent raised with a J or a T in his hand than with an 8 or a 9.

Against someone who has a wide opening range but a fairly narrow calling range. Say 22+/KJ+ for example. What hands would ideal to resteal with?
This is a fairly common misconception, but as a general rule, higher cards are better. Obv play around w/ pokerstove to see for yourself, but this is how is usually works out. There may be specific ranges against which hands like 98s may have better equity than a hand like JTs, but by and large this isn't true. This isn't to say SC aren't good resteal hands, they definitely are, but noting more specifically how different hands fare against different ranges will help you tailor your resteal range to individual villains.
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