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11-03-2010 , 02:11 PM

Go Get It

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Villain is an unknown.

Thoughts?

Full Tilt Poker No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15.00/t30.00 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter By DeucesCracked Poker Videos

BTN: t1485.00 49.50 BBs
SB: t1470.00 49 BBs
Hero (BB): t1500.00 50 BBs
UTG: t1500.00 50 BBs
UTG+1: t1500.00 50 BBs
UTG+2: t1500.00 50 BBs
MP1: t1500.00 50 BBs
MP2: t1500.00 50 BBs
CO: t1545.00 51.50 BBs

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BB with Q

3 folds, MP1 raises to t60, 3 folds, SB calls t45, Hero calls t30

Flop: (t180) A

(3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t120.00, MP1 folds, SB calls t120

Turn: (t420) 6

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t270.00, SB calls t270

River: (t960) 4

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t1050.00, SB calls t1020 all in

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11-03-2010 , 02:24 PM

dybboss

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check turn, call river bet or check behind

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11-03-2010 , 02:31 PM

Go Get It

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Originally Posted by dybboss

check turn, call river bet or check behind

why check turn?

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11-03-2010 , 03:07 PM

Baeras

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i would have checked behind on the river and either missed the value if i had the best hand

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11-03-2010 , 03:09 PM

mavs

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Not a fan of leading on flop, the board is dry and you instantly folding out weaker pairs also you want some pot control in case he has miracle AK, so I like checking to see what he does, raising weak bets to build a bigger pot and protect our hand and just flating stronger ones. As played, I would bet a little bit more on turn to set up a nicer shove on river.

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11-03-2010 , 03:33 PM

kane2

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definitely check behind on the river..

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11-03-2010 , 03:42 PM

bmess0

adept

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This early in the tourny I look more to build chips and win a pot or to but not necessarily double up. I like a check back on the river, and possibly even check back turn as well.

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11-03-2010 , 03:44 PM

Kvaughan

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C/C the flop. Pretty good spot for MP1 to C-bet a wide range and you're just folding out a bunch of air by leading. Wouldn't raise because the flop is dry so the range of worse hands that can get it in is pretty small. C/C let's him continue with worse or hero call a river lead if the turn does Check, check.

Everything else seems fine given that we don't think a random can fold an A on the river. Need to bet more on the turn to set up the river bet though.

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11-03-2010 , 05:53 PM

AbsolutelyNuts

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Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 652

I'd reraise pre vs the minraise.
Don't mind the flop lead, but then I'd probably go for a CR on the turn.

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11-03-2010 , 06:00 PM

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smiteme

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3bet pre is pretty bad imo... Playing AQ OOP with a big pot is just nasty.

c/c flop is nice here because it's so dry. If I did bet, id probably bet a bit smaller tho...

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11-03-2010 , 06:08 PM

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AbsolutelyNuts

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Originally Posted by smiteme

3bet pre is pretty bad imo... Playing AQ OOP with a big pot is just nasty.

c/c flop is nice here because it's so dry. If I did bet, id probably bet a bit smaller tho...

If villain had made a standard raise then I'd agree, and depending on villain I might even fold to a standard raise. But the minraising range for a random in early levels of play is crushed by AQ, so I'd be happy getting more chips in pre, even if I'm OOP. The only time it gets a bit tricky is if villain calls the RR and then the c-bet, and you don't hit (which combined happens a very small % of the time)

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11-03-2010 , 06:13 PM

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smiteme

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I think it probably happens a lot more than you'd expect...

More importantly... your AQ isn't going to hit the flop very often, and then you are likely going to be leading a 1/2 pot bluff bet on the flop... If your goal is essentially never to get to showdown (except for those times that you do actually catch a hand), then you should be willing to make that same pf 3bet/flop cbet line with ATC. You have already essentially turned the AQ into a bluff and at that point your actual cards no longer matter.

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11-03-2010 , 06:46 PM

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Go Get It

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Originally Posted by mavs

Not a fan of leading on flop, the board is dry and you instantly folding out weaker pairs also you want some pot control in case he has miracle AK, so I like checking to see what he does, raising weak bets to build a bigger pot and protect our hand and just flating stronger ones. As played, I would bet a little bit more on turn to set up a nicer shove on river.

Just because I know the results of the hand, I know this is not true.

And I still have no idea why people would check back this turn?

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11-03-2010 , 06:59 PM

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smiteme

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Originally Posted by Go Get It

Just because I know the results of the hand, I know this is not true.

It usually is tho... try not to be results oriented just because it happened this 1 hand

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Originally Posted by Go Get It

And I still have no idea why people would check back this turn?

Me either lol

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11-03-2010 , 10:24 PM

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Rman123

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Originally Posted by Kvaughan

This is the correct answer.

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11-03-2010 , 11:05 PM

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bmess0

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Originally Posted by Go Get It

And I still have no idea why people would check back this turn?

I think that's not a great play as we lose a ton of value. The turn card changes nothing in this case so if you check back turn you might as well fold the flop as you are assuming you have a worse hand than villain on the flop and the turn right?

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