Hero has T43,000. Has been running good this level, had been playing pretty tight before that. 30 something Indian guy wearing a polo and shorts so should look touristy.
V has 25k . V has been playing somewhat loose and not particularly or selectively aggressive (I've heard this referred to as LAGfish at times).
V has been seen raising and calling light.
V is also wearing a hoodie and beats headphones for a "pro" look.
One major hand V in CO opened pre, hero on btn 3bet with AQcc. Called 1/2psb on A83 flop. 1/2psb on A83 3 turn (2 clubs) and called 1/2psb on A river with AJ.
OTTH
V (25k) MP limps for 400
Hero (43k) CO raises to 1500 with KsKc
BB calls 1500
V raises to 5400
Hero ... we can raise here however given Vs tendencies his range is broad and we'd want him to keep him in. Is this a big mistake?
Flop (13k)
Ts 3h 4c
V bets 5k
Hero calls. Pot is 23k and V has 15k left, we want to give him another chance to get the money in. Anyone for raising here ? Seems like a WA/WB situation here.
Turn (23k)
Ts 3h 4c Jc
V goes all in for 15k
Hero calls
Why wouldn't you shove flop? He has put in 40% of his stack. Who cares way ahead way behind. He's spewed plenty if he's way behind and it's rare you are way behind here. Aa or tt only. I don't think flatting flop is awful but I think shoving is 1000x better. That's a nice size pot. Why screw around getting tricky?
Villain sounds like a fish. I would probably shove preflop as I don't think he is folding any pair or AK. Limp reraises are almost never weak hands and this guy seems like he's ready to spew/tilted/fishy.
Your line works alright, but it's more risky since the BB can also call.
V showed up with Ac5c and hit a 2 on the river. I'm probably being results oriented but the purpose of starting this thread is if I brought this upon myself by not shoving pre.
I think you played it fine, I guess shoving flop gets him to fold most hands you beat but again it depends on your image if you think by shoving villain can put you on 10x then shoving isn't too bad.
I'm ok with the just call on the flop. Not the most dangerous flop and you want to be consistent and continue looking weakish.
I don't like the preflop call to the raise. It would be unnecessarily tricky but fine against only one player, but you're potentially letting BB in with good odds. You want to play those hands heads-up.
V showed up with Ac5c and hit a 2 on the river. I'm probably being results oriented but the purpose of starting this thread is if I brought this upon myself by not shoving pre.
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lol, it's incred how you can look at this and not get the point.
He put his chips in bad. YOU WANT HIM TO DO THIS.
The overwhelming amount of time you will wins heaps of chips here. So no, you didn't bring this on yourself; you successfully induced him and this time you got unlucky.
lol, it's incred how you can look at this and not get the point.
He put his chips in bad. YOU WANT HIM TO DO THIS.
The overwhelming amount of time you will wins heaps of chips here. So no, you didn't bring this on yourself; you successfully induced him and this time you got unlucky.
I still think inducing is fine but not in this situation, where he invites BB to join preflop. I think hero makes more money in the long run by shoving it in this scenario. As said above, as played, I'm fine with the flop play though.
I don't think it makes a huge difference either way because of how committed V is, but when he donks small like that, he has something - a weak draw or 2nd or 3rd pair or even TPWK, so why give him a free card to hit his draw or even his naked ace?
I would just shove the flop and expect to get called pretty often and be way ahead.
Given that BB called the original 1,500 pre-flop raise I would just shove pre-flop. Especially because Villain isn't an old white guy. I would prefer going up against only one opponent with KK.
As played, I would lean towards shoving on the flop. I would expect a standard c-bet from Ax and any pair on this flop. I would hate to see an A on the turn. Also, if villain has AA its all going in anyway.
Preflop: Good, I can see a re-raise here some of the time (re-raise to 11K to lure the fish in), but the way you played it is good.
On the flop I can see a small raise here or a shove as well. But as OP said, you give him a chance to bluff. If you shove, well he is going to look down at his air and fold. Unless he has a small PP or a T he might talk himself into calling.
As played you really can't do much. Your best shot at winning was re-raising on the flop. Only problem with that is you lose the value that you planned on extracting, which can be both good and bad depending on who you ask.
Given the hands, V most likely folds on the flop to a re-raise but, continues on the turn given increased equity. He still has aces, gutshot (any 2), and the nut flush draw. Given your description of V, he's rarely folding on the turn. Just an unlucky hand.
The sick thing is, even if you were to min raise the 5400 pre flop, there may be the slight chance he calls regardless, which mathematically puts you in a bit of a bind given stack sizes. You're definitely ahead but any re-raise you make pre-flop kind of commits his stack. 10-12k is close to 50%, so if hes as fishy as you claim, he should have no problem putting the rest in leading to the same result.
This kind of feels like you took a common cash game line with this hand. You wanted chips and took the most likely but variance prone way to get them. Yes it is viable in tournaments as well but, because of the difference in structure, the variance hits much harder.
Overall given the hands and players, you got coolered. Lol
I said hit a 2 , not a 2 outer. I think it was the 2h. I realize that it might sound the latter given that I'm complaining of a "bad beat" here. However if I was V I'd also shove here on the turn.
And it's actually 15 outs (dont count the 2c twice). More over
In hindsight, I'm ok with my play pre but then should have shoved flop given spr of < 1
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