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12-16-2012 , 10:24 PM

Elephants_pride

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Few hands in, villian started active like 29/29 on tiny sample.
I also was active, have already 3bet once and spewed some chips with AK(double barreled and c/f river) vs another stationy guy.

PokerStars - $20+$2|10/20 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP: 5,000.00
CO: 6,415.00
BTN: 4,940.00
SB: 4,950.00
Hero (BB): 3,465.00
UTG: 5,230.00

SB posts SB 10.00, Hero posts BB 20.00

Pre Flop: (30.00) Hero has T

UTG raises to 60.00, fold, CO calls 60.00, BTN calls 60.00, fold, Hero calls 40.00

Flop: (250.00, 4 players) 5

Hero checks, UTG bets 100.00, fold, BTN calls 100.00, Hero calls 100.00

Turn: (550.00, 3 players) 2

Hero checks, UTG bets 280.00, fold, Hero calls 280.00

River: (1110.00, 2 players) T

Hero checks, UTG bets 600.00, Hero raises to 1,555.00

3k eff otr.

Thoughts?

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12-16-2012 , 10:29 PM

MeowImQh

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why

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12-16-2012 , 11:05 PM

federigol

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wtf
think about folding turn vs some players (not vs active players though)
call river
that raise is horrible
e: i'd rather fold than raise^^

Last edited by federigol; 12-16-2012 at 11:10 PM.

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12-16-2012 , 11:49 PM

tboneparte

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Yeah if I'm not folding the flop, I'm def folding the turn . What hands do you get value from when you raise? Seems way thin.

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12-16-2012 , 11:56 PM

tboneparte

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[QUOTE=tboneparte;36241182]Yeah if I'm not folding the flop, I'm def folding the turn . What hands do you get value from when you raise

Edit: i guess we can get value from qq+ sometimes so think its better than i originally thought, prob is alright]

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12-17-2012 , 03:00 AM

TheMurderShow

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seems like a c/c otr ..and raising in hindsight seems to me pretty thin but vs this particular villain i dont hate it, prob will pay you off more often then not.

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12-17-2012 , 04:06 AM

SamuraiPlaya

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c/c turn is a bit meh I guess it isnt terri-bad due to how deep we are but I probably c/f turn most times unless I am on auto-pilot or have info/history with villain.

As played I feel as though check/call river is best, raising is a bit ambitious and wug plan if you get jammed on ? After C/R river we put 2k of our 3.4k stack in and would be getting 3.-1 to call off...

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12-17-2012 , 07:31 AM

Aon1234

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Fold pre, cause no ante and why would you want to play JT oop w/o fish in a pot.
Flop is fine.
Turn is close, but fold it imo.
Obv c/c riv, especially after 3rd suit came. You almost never getting called by worse.

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12-17-2012 , 07:35 AM

Finnera

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agree with ez fold pre. im not folding turn vs him. c/c seems best otr, the raise is quite optimistic

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12-17-2012 , 07:47 AM

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Huckleberry83

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ye once u dont fold pre and get to the river its prbly a just call if not fold (^^)but not: Hero raises to 1,555.00

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12-17-2012 , 11:05 AM

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SamuraiPlaya

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Originally Posted by SamuraiPlaya

I dont mind opening either BTW as long as we are a really really really good post flop player and we are certainly deep enough here.

Only way to get better is to go to the streets often and get into so many spots and learn to soul read, pot control and cage rape battler33 style lol But the learning curve may very well increase our variance and affect our win rate for a while

I like though

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12-17-2012 , 11:12 AM

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Elephants_pride

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everything before river and probably including river is by-product of long Sunday session, so Im interested in river decision only.

I was focussed mainly on exploiting specific part of villain's range.
Yes, probably its better to have bigger SPR to do things like that, but he's a random in $22 tourney.
If he jams I fold.

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12-17-2012 , 07:14 PM

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Inepsyrrr

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really not a fan of the river raising. Nothing worst gonna call. As played c/c peacefully.

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12-17-2012 , 08:04 PM

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SamuraiPlaya

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Originally Posted by Elephants_pride

everything before river and probably including river is by-product of long Sunday session, so Im interested in river decision only.

I was focussed mainly on exploiting specific part of villain's range.
Yes, probably its better to have bigger SPR to do things like that, but he's a random in $22 tourney.
If he jams I fold.

I think we've all been there plenty of times and this is certainly something I have working on to reduce my auto-pilot/oi factor late in sessions. Even considering everything I still cannot see myself CR/f this river here.

My default would be to c/c river and if I did just happen to be in a clicking buttons mode I just sigh CR/c and hope he is turning QQ+ or AJ/KJ/QJ into a bluff and if he is really bad he may even think hes doing it for value..

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12-17-2012 , 08:25 PM

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fivetypes

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Think I just stepped through the looking glass.

lol fold pre???
lol fold anywhere???

I like it a lot when he sizes the river like that, nh. WTH IS HAPPENING

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12-17-2012 , 08:30 PM

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Elephants_pride

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Originally Posted by fivetypes

I like it a lot when he sizes the river like that, nh. WTH IS HAPPENING

you suck.

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12-17-2012 , 08:35 PM

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fivetypes

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Thats subjective. I chose to ignore your opinion. Nh.

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12-17-2012 , 10:14 PM

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SamuraiPlaya

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Originally Posted by fivetypes

Location: My feeling is you have a small pair

I usually just put them directly on AK. I am 85% right like 1/2 the time..

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12-18-2012 , 09:34 AM

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pablito_21

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Folding turn is valid; folding river before raising it is ... absurd. I think raising is def better than calling vs a random, we rep close to nothing so he should click the call button a lot. I'd shove if we were a tad shorter (like, 2.5k) but with stacks as they are this type of sizing is fine.

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12-18-2012 , 04:15 PM

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ebet33

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nh
and have 0 problem w the c/r otr

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12-19-2012 , 06:46 AM

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gregz41

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I'd probably just call seeing as he triple barreled a multiway flop and expect to be good a bunch. think raising will only get called by flushes.

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12-19-2012 , 07:43 AM

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pablito_21

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Ugh missed that the flush came through; calling is indeed better then I think.

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12-20-2012 , 03:54 PM

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daviid

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when he sizes his flopbet that small but fires three i think calling otr is better than raising. i think that if he wasnt inducing with a hand that either had u beat otf or is a strong enough draw to gii somewhere he will not even have a pair all that often.