Imo this is problem of this hand or the very next hand. Will I push now or will I call atc next hand.

I would push K2o utg here probably 100%. This hand is in 40.5% in the SK ranking. K2o is also 49-51 against 90% of hands which bb probably calls because of pot odds.

Its possible that Button or SB will have some kind of a hand they would like to call hero`s weak shove. Problem is that they cant do it wide enough because BB can always go over the top..so they probably doesnt call or shove more that 10% imo. It makes K2o here like brake even hand.

Its 60% chance that I will get worse hand on the BB and I will have to call 540 into 1390 anyway...In this spot (next hand)I think even 23 cant be folded (32-68 against random).

There is still some chance everybody will fold to our utg shove..or anybody wont gable with us next hand and they fold. But I would go with probability of getting better hand in BB next hand which says ..to push it now.

you have 965 in chips and there BB is 400??? You have been blinded out my friend. You should have pushed ATC last time you were UTG unless you just took a beat last hand to put you here. Frankly you should cover the screen and push and hope for the best but the BB has the odds to call with anything so expect a gamble for you tournament life

i agree here kleath, i would actually keep shortie alive here unless i had an ok hand. you coul easily abuse bubble for alot longer by keeping shortie here alive, so i i knew BB was decent at icm/bubble play, i would shove here.

That's excellent advice!
I'm sure a weak player like OP never knew of these concepts.
He will reach enlightenment upon reading your post.
I too am indebted to you for bringing this to the table.

I personally always approach these threads with a certain amount of intimidation; after all I'm an old man, a causal player, who's 39% ROI at his humble low ass buy-in in FY'08(part brag, part meh, who cares, really I suck...).
And OP gains more FPP in a week than I pull down in a year and obviously plays the game at a different level. So yes a certain amount of intimidation, do I chime in?


Well thanks for the enlightenment brother...


You are the one....

Pushing ATC here imo is not good (optimal) as suggested above. Lets say I have 92o not K2o which is 85% in the ranking...even if BB knows what is the concept of "keeping the bubble alive" (what is obvious ) it would be mistake by him if he is not calling our utg shove when he has at least 30%+ hand. He should know that next hand shortstack (hero) will be in bb and even if hero will take the blinds this hand he will call bigstacks shove in the next hand from SB wide enough.

In a spot like this utg - probably shoving like 50-60% of hands is correct imo.

Shoving here atc I think it would be the case when hero is like ~3-4 bb and the rest of the players can be seriously damaged by calling us (they would be like 4-6 bb) and bigstack have no really interest to call here with avarage hand.

lol I was just thinking the same thing.

I see no reason to be sarcastic, I was just pointing out a very obvious thing that I don't doubt 99% of the TpT community would see. But clearly if you have only 925 in chips and the blinds are 200/400 and you are UTG you should push any 2. I am sorry, you would play this different???

Absolutely untrue, pushing 100% in these spots is lighting money on fire.

Quit trolling plz

I think this is close. Vs. a regular or winning player, I think it's a fold. Vs. a random, you probably have some FE as someone else stated, so stick it in.

your original post was slightly arrogant and pretty ignorant by overstating the obvious in a potentially condescending way. of course john didnt blind down to this spot watching orbits and orbits go by....lol theres a million other ways to get to the spot he's in.

regardless i dont find the hand THAT interesting. its prolly pretty close and shoving seems fine.

i dont like to shove any2 here either mainly because its ok to have 2bbs when bb is yours next hand cause no one is gonna shove into you thinking they have any FE and youll get a couple more walks than youd believe. plus when you dont get a walk you can call any2 out of bb with good odds and have the small chance of waking up with a hand after folding UTG

How about because I'm good at it? We all have our skills right?
Also in case you missed it in the original post "You are the one...." was selected just for you, I hope you enjoyed it....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86PGnk9jK84

yeah um, about that........ no.


and I think this hand is debatable, too. so please, before assuming that someone is dumb, make sure you know of what you are talking. seek to understand before seeking to be understood...it'll save you from potentially disastrous consequences.

Minraise. You gain an additional 0.5% fold equity on your flop shove.

Plus, if all 3 players go allin behind you then you can fold.

I have never seen something like this...and tbh dont expect to see...but it would be welcome I think. This play (minraise, 3 x with 1203 chips) were the plays I lastly practised...players call even wider in there putting us on the crap and calling with crap+. But still it can just dont work for me.

haha, i actuall bet all my chips but one.

i sorta like a push because i have just enough chips to get button/sb to fold preflop and an unknown bb is always capable of folding on ocassion as well.

darin sorta like fold because K2o is not that strong and sometimes when you fold here someone will get eliminated.

Minraise it is.

I love idea that someone busts this hand, yeah its gonna happen 0.5% of the time when QQ against AK meet, in rest cases noone is going anywhere ahead of hero with 2bb.

And those advocating fold here, hmm next hand you are automatically allin so pushing here not wide enough is a big mistake. Howether since next hand you get ATC instead of current hand pushing all 100% would be a mistake too, i think 70% could be a not bad figure from air.

In a spot like this utg - probably shoving like 50-60% of hands is correct imo.