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06-28-2008 , 11:11 AM
just a line check

after some great advice last week i have opened up my L3 iso raise range vs laggy/bad limpers.

here is one, villian was unknown and like 40/25 filtered 80 hands. i assume pretty bad.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button (t1160)
SB (t1250)
BB (t1765)
UTG (t1270)
UTG+1 (t1540)
MP1 (t2015)
MP2 (t1630)
MP3 (t1470)
Hero (t2900)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q, K.
UTG calls t50, 4 folds, Hero raises to t175, 3 folds, UTG calls t125.

Flop: (t425) 9, Q, 4 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets t300, UTG calls t300.

Turn: (t1025) 6 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets t1300
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06-28-2008 , 11:32 AM
Little wider than I usually go but against someone that loose it looks real good. Great flop, have to go broke.
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06-28-2008 , 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by darinvg
Little wider than I usually go but against someone that loose it looks real good. Great flop, have to go broke.
Agreed, this is all fine vs. a huge ******.
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06-28-2008 , 01:07 PM
I might bet closer to pot here, or maybe just push them all-in. I mean, are you going to fold on the flop if he check-raise shoves? That's not a great spot to be in, so if you bet more that tells him you're committed, and if he decides to shove it's a much easier call.
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06-28-2008 , 01:10 PM
I understand the guy being a huge ****** and all but in this position let's assume villain has a flush or a weak queen or nothing.

If he has the flush all the chips are going in and you are way behind. If he has a weak queen or nothing and you check behind you may gain extra chips out of him on a river bet if he thinks he can take the pot down.

So, on the river if he has nada you may gain a bet but if he had the flush you may save a bet. I think that's best given what you know about villain and where you are at in the sng.

In a nutshell, keep the pot small in case you are beat and somewhat feign weakness since you are only scared of an A or a fourth spade. If those do hit, reevaluate on the river. If they don't and he bets snapcall.

Isn't it about finding ways to make your opponent play imperfectly and isn't this one of these times?
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06-28-2008 , 01:20 PM
I like bigger bet on flop and smaller on turn. You arent letting him call with many worse hands which he certainly is capable of. Obviously against him after the PF raise you are going broke here so need to get his chips in the middle, and that overbet probably would scare him off more likely then say 750 bet.
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06-28-2008 , 01:33 PM
Yeah I like it, from my experience those really bad guys may call you with a PP they limped with, no matter how small it is. It happens alot more in the 6-max SNG but in the FR sometimes also.

You know one of those guys who will say afterwards I put you on AK when they snap 22 on QJ9xx board.
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06-28-2008 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by crossstar

Isn't it about finding ways to make your opponent play imperfectly and isn't this one of these times?
Villain already plays imperfectly. The way to make money against this type of opponent is to value bet and let him convince himself to call with a card still to come. Once all the cards are out, even ******s will often realize they don't have much of a hand.
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06-28-2008 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Q..
I like bigger bet on flop and smaller on turn. You arent letting him call with many worse hands which he certainly is capable of. Obviously against him after the PF raise you are going broke here so need to get his chips in the middle, and that overbet probably would scare him off more likely then say 750 bet.
Eh, bet sizing doesn't matter much against this type of player. If he has something, he calls no matter what. If he IS paying attention he'll convince himself the turn overbet looks like a second barrel.
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06-28-2008 , 01:57 PM
bet sizing always matters against those players, only possible problem - you cant be certain in way exact way, ie does he call bigger bet treating it as a bluff or not, etc.

But from my experience with them they always call better smaller bets, if they have something left behind.
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06-28-2008 , 02:06 PM
If its not "standard" it should be.
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06-28-2008 , 02:30 PM
I don't know if it even matters, but sometimes if I just wait like 5 secs before I bet i find these ******s to be playing back more lightly with an underpair.
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06-28-2008 , 03:06 PM
I like these raises in position against donk. I would raise personally to 200pf but that's meh. Flop bet is good as well IMO.
I check behind on the turn. The only hand that he will call with that you beat is a weaker Q, all other hands you will just end up paying off nicely.
Villain will then probably fire on the river, and I'd call all non-spade rivers. And if he did hit the flush, I think he'll value bet less than all-in, which saves you some chips. You will often also catch a bluff.
I also vbet the river on non-dangerous cards if he checks instead of bets.
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06-28-2008 , 04:09 PM
I don't see any other way to play this hand.
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06-28-2008 , 06:07 PM
Against this type of player, I play it the same.
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06-28-2008 , 07:10 PM
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I understand the guy being a huge ****** and all but in this position let's assume villain has a flush or a weak queen or nothing.
Why would we assume this if it's not correct?
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06-28-2008 , 08:45 PM
ok, thx, pretty basic stuff, mostly wondering about preflop and most think it is fine. once i hit TP2K, i'm going broke. villian had A9o without a spade, and of course called the turn.

i might try stretching it a bit and see just how wide i can iso raise these terrible/loose players. there is usually one player like this per table, and they are great to play against.
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06-29-2008 , 03:05 AM
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Originally Posted by LittleJohn
ok, thx, pretty basic stuff, mostly wondering about preflop
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If its not "standard" it should be.

in my opinion.
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