Lost my stack on the last hand when I pushed with 66 OTB and it didn`t hold up. Do I have to push here with any two?


Blinds are 300-600.

Hero (t1655)
BTN (t3080)
SB (t7150)
BB (t3115)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8,4.

Hero?

This is really too trashy imo.

My guess is that most of the time it's better to call the next one than pushing this.

This might be a good spot to raise, but not shove. If there is action like, you raise, btn shoves, sb and/or bb call, then you can fold and maybe backdoor a 3rd place. Just an idea.

Folding isn't bad either. You should have a better hand next hand and just get it in then when in the bb.

Depends on the table and your image. If they are really tight (f.e. BTN won't call w/ A9), a push is +EV.

I fold here, as there can easily be action from the other players in this hand that gets you ITM and BB should call fairly wide, knowing you're afraid of the BB next hand.

You still have almost 2,5 bb's. Even if you get trash next hand and fold, or if someone pushes and someone else calls, you're not dead. People should't go crazy when they're stack goes below 2 bb's, it's still playable and you have options.

Don't like pdiggz idea that much. If you don't push then BB is going to have to call (or at least feel like he has to). You could possibly raise to 1500 and fold if there really is another push and a call but I doubt throwing that many chips away just to get ITM is +EV.

I would push like 80% of hands here, 84o not included. I like pdiggz idea, although it doesn't work against good opponents.

ICM calculations:

Shove any two if opponents are very tight (button 10%, SB 14% and BB 20%), average opp just fold. Even Btn 14%, SB 20%, BB 25% should be folded (which leads to shoving about 80% of your hands).

Notice the stack size.

Opponents are never "Very Tight" on 22s. Small Blind is calling with QTo here most of the time.

BB's Calling range here is much bigger than 25% if he's any good too.

The raise-and-fold-if-others-go-allin idea is great for situations where you have a really small stack and are only going for 3rd anyway.

Something like this:

Hero 500
Button 3500
SB 5500
BB 4000
Blinds 100/200, Hero is dealt XX (bottom 10% or so)
Hero raises to 490, Button push, SB push, BB fold, Hero fold

Ha. Always play to win.

Wait. Was this serious?

I do notice the stack sizes. I am saying that if you raise say to 1500, and say the btn shoves and gets called by SB and/or BB then you can backdoor into 3rd. Bottom line is if you are going to get called, raising or shoving is irrelevant. If they call a raise to 1500, they will call a shove. But if you raise to 1500, you can get away if there is action, as described preiviously. Its an idea, certainly not great, but neither is OP standing in this SNG. Shoving 84 seems bad and folding isn't great. This idea gives some flexibility.

Yeah, it's good to think of all the options.

But in OP's spot he still has a chance to go beyond 3rd or even win. In my example, where Hero is by far the shortest stack the situation is different and the only concern is getting 3rd. OP is throwing away too many chips just to get a chance at 3rd if he folds with ~1500 invested and another push and a caller behind him.

IF I did decide to push here I would consider keeping like 10 chips behind or something silly like that in case everyone behind me pushes (very unlikely I know).

You make some good points Holy. Certainly 1600 chips is a lot different than 500 regardless of the blinds. A fold here does save chips and maybe you pick up a decent hand in the bb, next hand. And maybe the btn or sb get busted this hand. You are right saving chips and taking your chance next hand is probably better, or just sticking it in now.

Good advice and reasoning behind it is appreciated.

You win many when you're on the bubble UTG with 2.5BB?