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06-11-2008 , 03:33 PM

Master999

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He is a hand I played in a 27players regular sit n go on stars, 8 players left ! Give me thoughts on the hand... was I deep enough to just reraise and fold to shove, should I just have called ?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (8 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

MP1 (t15675)
MP2 (t5815)
CO (t4035)
Button (t3567)
SB (t4425)
Hero (t4048)
UTG (t1510)
UTG+1 (t1425)

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[

], T[

].
6 folds, SB raises to t600, Hero raises to t4023, SB calls t3423.

Flop: (t8196) 3[

], 8[

], A[

] (2 players)

Turn: (t8196) J[

] (2 players)

River: (t8196) 9[

] (2 players)

Final Pot: t8196

Thanks for thoughts and advice !

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06-11-2008 , 03:34 PM

Master999

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Raiser was 11/15 !

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06-11-2008 , 03:50 PM

slystyle012

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Against an 11/15, if you put in the 3-bet all in you are only going to be called by a better hand and be at best a 50/50. Against a nit I would probably fold 80% of the time and call in position the other 20%. We have a decent hand here but you still got over 20xBB left so its not necessary to get involved here. Fold> Call> raise in this spot imo.

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06-11-2008 , 04:02 PM

Dunkman

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Wait, so let me get this straight. You're advocating folding TT to an open raise from the SB. Seriously? 15/11 (it's standard to put the vp$ip first) isn't that tight, and someone 15/11 overall is going to be raising a large % from the SB, a range which we absolutely crush.

OP, I don't think there's any other way to play this hand besides how you played it.

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06-11-2008 , 04:02 PM

sopoRific

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I'd expect to get calls by 99+ and AT+ all the time, and calls from 66-88 and Ax hands almost all the time. Add in the chips we'll get when villain is stealing and will fold, and I can't fathom not shoving here.

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06-11-2008 , 04:29 PM

Master999

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What about calling and playing the flop and later streets, I know its not an easy hand to play but could that be a good option ? Or just shove and get called by lower pockets and weak aces sometimes... ?

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06-11-2008 , 04:33 PM

slystyle012

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Being on the bubble and 4/8 in chips not far behind 2nd, I would rather call than reraise and reevaluate the flop. In my previous post I didnt factor in that sb def might be stealing. Ild much rather be in favor of calling and showing aggression on a harmless flop. If we call and flop sucks, we still have enough chips to fold.

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06-11-2008 , 04:36 PM

Master999

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Problem is flops normally arnt in favor of 10-10 pretty much always over cards, he could obviously be stealing with ''any decent hand'' so I can't put him on a decent range, I got no information about the hand by calling, but reraising him pretty much commits me to the pot...

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06-11-2008 , 04:44 PM

slystyle012

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in that case reraising all in like dunkman suggested is probably your best course.

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06-11-2008 , 04:51 PM

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sopoRific

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I think our opponent will play better if we call than if we push.

We'll be lost if we get a flop like Q93r and villain bets into us. If we raise the c-bet, villain will play almost perfectly, giving more action only when we're beat.

If we call against villains A8-AT, we won't get action unless they flop top pair when we might have action had we reraised pre-flop.

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06-11-2008 , 05:50 PM

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was I deep enough to just reraise and fold to shove, should I just have called ?

reraise/fold is impossible, since you would put in the middle half of your chips and villain has even less than that. Calling is also not an option since you are way ahead of his raising range from SB and he could call your all-in with much worse, while at the same time you may not like many flops.

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