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12-13-2013 , 12:28 PM
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still miles from bubble. V had been playing 18/15ish. Hero similar.
find these spots often enough with 30BB (25BB effective)
are you flatting, 3b/c or just jamming these spots?

in the middle for me, hence thread.


    Poker Stars, $5 Buy-in (200/400 blinds, 50 ante) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #21500541

    Hero (CO): 12,094 (30.2 bb)
    BTN: 4,561 (11.4 bb)
    SB: 9,830 (24.6 bb)
    BB: 16,895 (42.2 bb)
    UTG+1: 10,753 (26.9 bb)
    UTG+2: 24,118 (60.3 bb)
    MP1: 12,706 (31.8 bb)
    MP2: 9,728 (24.3 bb)
    MP3: 9,968 (24.9 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with T T
    4 folds, MP3 raises to 1,200, Hero raises to 2,755, 3 folds, MP3 calls 1,555

    Flop: (6,560) 8 3 6 (2 players)
    MP3 bets 7,163 and is all-in, Hero calls 7,163

    Turn: (20,886) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: (20,886) 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: 20,886 pot
    Final Board: 8 3 6 J 7
    Hero showed T T and won 20,886 (10,918 net)
    MP3 showed A K and lost (-9,968 net)



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    Last edited by oldsilver; 12-13-2013 at 12:38 PM.
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    12-13-2013 , 12:31 PM
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    3b/c usually
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    12-13-2013 , 12:36 PM
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    he's 3xd so I probably jam because I'm not 3b/f
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    12-13-2013 , 12:47 PM
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    3b/c or jam is fine. generally shoving with hand like TT, AQ if effective stack is less than 10 times the initial raise (n.b. BB stack silver which is important because it means our stack is eff stack not MP3's). I would shove for more than 10 times initial raise in a couple of spots too: 1) flatters in the pot or 2) situation where i'm in the blinds vs a lP or bvb raise and I have a low pp I absolutely don't want to see a flop with.
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    12-13-2013 , 01:41 PM
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    Quote:
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    he's 3xd so I probably jam because I'm not 3b/f
    agreed
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    12-13-2013 , 07:55 PM
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    n.b. BB stack silver which is important because it means our stack is eff stack not MP3's)
    Side point, but we already have action against the 25bb OR, so the extra 5bb is in play ~5%? Isn't it more useful to consider eff stks as 25bb (for ranges, likely spr post, xbetting room etc) until you actually get action from BB?
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    12-13-2013 , 07:58 PM
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    No because if you had 80BBs, you wouldn't jam.
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    12-13-2013 , 08:28 PM
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    Agree on jamming because of the 3 x. I'm not exactly delighted though, and the nit in me sometimes wants to fold here when opener seems tighter than described.

    How low a pair do you guys just pitch it to the villians 3x ITT? 77?
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    12-13-2013 , 09:26 PM
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    Quote:
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    No because if you had 80BBs, you wouldn't jam.
    but...

    ok, i'm not feeling argumentative enough
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    12-13-2013 , 09:43 PM
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    doesnt matter
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    12-13-2013 , 09:44 PM
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    Quote:
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    No because if you had 80BBs, you wouldn't jam.
    wouldn`t shove bc it shows too much strength to OR who has yet to commit his chips, not bc its 80bb eff instead of 25bb.

    If OR would commit all his chips and we would know we`re ahead I`d often shove 80bb with TT at this setup.
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    12-13-2013 , 09:52 PM
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    Quote:
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    wouldn`t shove bc it shows too much strength to OR who has yet to commit his chips, not bc its 80bb eff instead of 25bb.

    If OR would commit all his chips and we would know we`re ahead I`d often shove 80bb with TT at this setup.
    A+ line
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    12-13-2013 , 10:57 PM
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    Wuhp-- same logic at the end of the day. I was stating an obvious example of why we use our stack as reference point, not raiser's. You are simply stating reason behind obvious example.
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    12-13-2013 , 11:17 PM
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    Quote:
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    Wuhp-- same logic at the end of the day. I was stating an obvious example of why we use our stack as reference point, not raiser's. You are simply stating reason behind obvious example.
    you prolly right. I felt my post might be off the point you discuss. w/e...
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    12-14-2013 , 01:26 AM
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    think played well. Raiser is way too tight to 3b get it in with and be happy.
    keep the lower part still involved with the flat as you did.. and you allow possibly the button or sb behind to spazz out and squeeze.
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