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05-04-2010 , 06:57 AM
Is it possible to have some of the two-day events start slightly earlier? Here in the UK they start at 10pm so doesn't pause early enough to go to work. Obviously you can't please everyone, but does it make much difference to people on ET to start at 3pm instead of 5pm?
05-04-2010 , 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by LastDamnation
Is it possible to have some of the two-day events start slightly earlier? Here in the UK they start at 10pm so doesn't pause early enough to go to work. Obviously you can't please everyone, but does it make much difference to people on ET to start at 3pm instead of 5pm?
Starting them on Saturdays would have solved that but Stars replace the Million and Warmup with these so that is why they start at the times they do.
05-04-2010 , 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Todd Terry
The two-day events play for too long on Day 1. I played until 5:45 am EST yesterday, shouldn't the point of a 2-day event be for people not to stay up all night? Start earlier or play less or a combination of both IMO.
Not sure if stars reps are still reading the thread, but it would also be good if the warm-up replacements at 13.00 EST on sunday could be two day events, instead of lasting for 22hrs straight. You could even stick to your 12hr day 1 and euros could still be in bed before dawn
05-04-2010 , 07:58 AM
Why is there not an option to buy into thursdays bounty tournament with FPP's?
05-04-2010 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Todd Terry
The two-day events play for too long on Day 1. I played until 5:45 am EST yesterday, shouldn't the point of a 2-day event be for people not to stay up all night? Start earlier or play less or a combination of both IMO.
totally agree

the low event had 26,000 runners. 25 came back for day 2!

I mean whats the point in a 2 day event like this. Surely it would be better to to make day 1 last 8 hours max. Then have a semi decent number of players come out for day 2
05-04-2010 , 02:45 PM
I agree on the posts above in regards to 2-day events. It's a good feature to have, but it has plenty of room for improvement. Even though I live in the states, I don't mind the earlier start time. In fact, I think an earlier start time would be much better for everyone so that the tournament can get as many players as possible. I think they need to balance day 1 and day 2 better. Day 1 lasted for almost 13 hours I think, while day 2 lasted for just 3.5 hours. I think they should have stopped day 1 at around level 30, which would have had a few hundred players come back for day 2, and have maybe 6 or 7 hours of play left.
05-04-2010 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Janice7776
Why is there not an option to buy into thursdays bounty tournament with FPP's?
E-mail stars and they will set it up for you.
05-04-2010 , 07:16 PM
The NLH tournaments tonight and on the 11th are probably going to take an entire day. Considering how late they start, that's a pretty brutal thing to put on the players.
05-04-2010 , 07:30 PM
Tonight's $1K event is insane -- starts at 8 pm EST and expected to last 20 hours or a bit more? Either run it with the standard Super Tuesday structure or with this structure as a two-day event.
05-04-2010 , 07:37 PM
i keep mulling over playing tonight or not playing tonight.
i also keep mulling over who the 8pm start time helps besides people on the west coast of the usa. i guess its 10am in sydney, so australian players can wake up to play it or something.
05-05-2010 , 04:13 AM
yo bryan make next weeks super tuesday a turbo (after you tortured us tonite )
05-05-2010 , 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Todd Terry
Tonight's $1K event is insane -- starts at 8 pm EST and expected to last 20 hours or a bit more? Either run it with the standard Super Tuesday structure or with this structure as a two-day event.
Maybe you'll finally start appreciating the virtue of online turbos after experiencing the absurdity that is these SCOOP run-times.

There is no other poker festival/series/tournament that tests endurance as the primary component of a multi-faceted strategy the way SCOOP does. I don't like it.

And it's not a timezone thing either--There's no timezone where playing a 20+ hour single sitting of online poker becomes palatable.
05-05-2010 , 04:34 AM
Just put turbo events in the 8pm time slot on tuesday so everyone can get to bed early for the wed grind. Hell put turbos in the 8 pm timeslot every night of scoop. the plos rebuy turbos were over before 1am last night.
05-05-2010 , 04:35 AM
how much better is the structure for the bigger buyins than this 1k?
05-05-2010 , 04:38 AM
Here's a request, make these events 2day where the break is 9 hours after the start time, not these 24 hour absurd unhealthy events that you are running now
05-05-2010 , 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by highlandfox
Just put turbo events in the 8pm time slot on tuesday so everyone can get to bed early for the wed grind. Hell put turbos in the 8 pm timeslot every night of scoop. the plos rebuy turbos were over before 1am last night.
This is a fine idea...also if you will remember the WCOOP Tuesday 1Ks had 20 min levels.

I know poker players will complain no matter what, but I hope the people who complain for longer, slower structures online will come to realize that they are morons for wanting this.

The notion that longer structures = more skill = more prestige doesn't even make sense to me for online tournaments, but taken to its extreme, we're certainly witnessing that notion collapse onto itself, since it seems that people are unanimously put-off by the ridiculously long nature of these events.

Everyone I've talked to (including Buck21, who almost WON one of these yesterday) agrees that 20+ hour tournaments is just out of control torturous.

Now, I am someone who actually LIKES to grind online MTTs. I even like to put in stupidly long hours to do this, especially when it's on a day when there is a bevvy of juicy first prizes.

So...if someone like me, who has trained for this kind of action and looks forward to this kind of action winds up being turned off by the pace of the actual action, how the hell is a 9-5'er, or a recreational poker lover, supposed to embrace the prospect of 20+ hour sessions?

Last edited by shaniac; 05-05-2010 at 04:59 AM.
05-05-2010 , 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by etothemc2
Here's a request, make these events 2day where the break is 9 hours after the start time, not these 24 hour absurd unhealthy events that you are running now
I think even a 14-hour one-day max would be reasonable. I know it has to be a time period that gets people into the money for the big 2day events, and 9 hours prob won't do that.

In any case, there has to be some kind of time cap that corresponds to normal human needs for rest and balance.
05-05-2010 , 04:51 AM
events maybe wouldnt take as long if they did all the things rush poker on ftp does (besides move you after the hand is done)

namely:

fixed timebanks: countdown before fold, replenishing bank, need to click time to bank

faster play: 0ms dealing speed, no animations, reduced time to act preflop when folded to, players that autofold are folded extremely fast (like ub)
05-05-2010 , 04:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Double Ice
events maybe wouldnt take as long if they did all the things rush poker on ftp does (besides move you after the hand is done)

namely:

fixed timebanks: countdown before fold, replenishing bank, need to click time to bank

faster play: 0ms dealing speed, no animations, reduced time to act preflop when folded to, players that autofold are folded extremely fast (like ub)
IMO, this is not the right answer, either...adding more bells and whistles is not what a tournament like SCOOP needs.

And for that matter, if 30 minutes with every level included is the best way to run a High stakes championship series, that's FINE, but I want to hear one valid reason why it would be a bad thing to put a maximum time limit that day one of a tournament can play (if day 2 takes longer, that's not a bad thing for obvious reasons).

This maximum time should coordinate roughly with the normal human clock and the fact that the entire northern hemisphere also wants to do other things in April and May besides sit in front of its computer for indefinite periods of time that will stretch way past 20+ hours in the best case scenario!

And the argument that people who work regular jobs will play less is not valid to me, I think a structure that caps the time limit on one day would allow for many more people in the "real world" to participate in SCOOP, and someone who made day 2 could even work a half-day, keep things smooth with the boss, and then come home and go for that 6-figure prize.

Last edited by shaniac; 05-05-2010 at 05:12 AM.
05-05-2010 , 06:03 AM
shaniac I am wondering if you misunderstood me; I wasn't suggesting to add more bells and whistles, I was merely saying that one can deal the same amount of hands in 20 minutes as it normally takes 30 minutes to do right now, with no real negative change in the playing experience. This is done by making the deal faster, like on UB.

But yeah on an unrelated note, rush mtts would be nice
05-05-2010 , 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by shaniac
This is a fine idea...also if you will remember the WCOOP Tuesday 1Ks had 20 min levels.

I know poker players will complain no matter what, but I hope the people who complain for longer, slower structures online will come to realize that they are morons for wanting this.

The notion that longer structures = more skill = more prestige doesn't even make sense to me for online tournaments, but taken to its extreme, we're certainly witnessing that notion collapse onto itself, since it seems that people are unanimously put-off by the ridiculously long nature of these events.

Everyone I've talked to (including Buck21, who almost WON one of these yesterday) agrees that 20+ hour tournaments is just out of control torturous.

Now, I am someone who actually LIKES to grind online MTTs. I even like to put in stupidly long hours to do this, especially when it's on a day when there is a bevvy of juicy first prizes.

So...if someone like me, who has trained for this kind of action and looks forward to this kind of action winds up being turned off by the pace of the actual action, how the hell is a 9-5'er, or a recreational poker lover, supposed to embrace the prospect of 20+ hour sessions?
Pretty much exactly this. I am fully behind the need to have good structures for important events, but this constant need from online players to have these never ending ridiculously slow structures baffles me. If it's not fun for me, I know it's not fun for casual players.
05-05-2010 , 06:14 AM
Before everyone comes out against slow structures, I just want to say that I like the long tourneys of WCOOP/SCOOP.

I understand most people (especially casual players) don't like long tourneys, (That's why they have to implement rush mtts imo.) But I am fine with them.
05-05-2010 , 06:14 AM
I think it would be really nice if at least the final tables were played the next day in prime time so people could actually watch them. It seems kind of silly to run a series like this, when hardly anyone will be awake to sweat the final tables.
05-05-2010 , 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by George Lind III
I think it would be really nice if at least the final tables were played the next day in prime time so people could actually watch them. It seems kind of silly to run a series like this, when hardly anyone will be awake to sweat the final tables.
also obviously have something like ept live where fish can listen to team pros talk while the ft is being played.
05-05-2010 , 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Double Ice
Before everyone comes out against slow structures, I just want to say that I like the long tourneys of WCOOP/SCOOP.

I understand most people (especially casual players) don't like long tourneys, (That's why they have to implement rush mtts imo.) But I am fine with them.
I guess my question is...don't you play these huge tournaments because they are profitable to play in? Isn't that generally the point?

Wouldn't you much rather sacrifice a few blind levels in exchange for some extra fish in the tournament?

And from Stars POV, wouldn't they rather cater to a larger audience in exchange for pros going from a level 10 excitement level to a 9.9?

Last edited by ZBTHorton; 05-05-2010 at 06:26 AM.

      
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