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08-12-2010 , 02:50 AM

prayforsnow8

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Been playing snug for the most part. A few before the money

Villian was tagish, with a 20% steal over 100 hands.. How do you like the 3bet shove?

Absolute, NL Hold'em Tournament, 150/300 Blinds, 7 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BTN: 7,721
SB: 6,153
Hero (BB): 6,158
UTG: 4,143
UTG+1: 3,931
MP: 4,456
CO: 1,989

Pre-Flop: (625) K

dealt to Hero (BB)
4 folds, BTN raises to 1,225, SB folds, Hero raises to 6,050, BTN raises to 7,696 and is All-In, Hero calls 83 and is All-In

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08-12-2010 , 02:53 AM

fightingcoward

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i like it seems pretty standard

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08-12-2010 , 02:57 AM

letthecardsfall

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His 4x is a little worrisome, but still standard BTN vs BB imo. The large raise size might weight his range a little on the stronger side, but it also adds more dead money into pot.

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08-12-2010 , 05:03 AM

CaliStyle

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Nice hand

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08-12-2010 , 05:11 AM

TomskiP

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seems kinda normal BBvsBT to me.

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08-12-2010 , 05:14 AM

furo

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doubt he folds after 4x, i think its alot closer than everyone things. ingame i dont think too much about it tho and shove as well.

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08-12-2010 , 10:08 AM

Okerchamp

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yeah it becomes close because of his 4x.

still shoving though

folding KJ

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08-12-2010 , 10:37 AM

RinconWoah

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I agree that it is close b/c he +4xed it but still shoving, you should have some good FE, he should be opening pretty wide.

BTW what range constitutes top 20%? Where can i find this out?

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08-12-2010 , 10:46 AM

killer_kill

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Originally Posted by Okerchamp

yeah it becomes close because of his 4x.

still shoving though

folding KJ

Our hand isn't as important as whether villain folds enough times. You're thinking of shoving for value which we're not doing. We're restealing, thusly our hand value isn't nearly (if at all) as important as villains tendency to folding here.

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Originally Posted by RinconWoah

I agree that it is close b/c he +4xed it but still shoving, you should have some good FE, he should be opening pretty wide.

BTW what range constitutes top 20%? Where can i find this out?

Pokerstove has a little slider at the bottom which gives top 20. I'm pretty sure sng wiz does this too. I'm not sure if you're getting the 20 percent from villains steal percent or something you were just curious about.

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08-12-2010 , 11:19 AM

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Okerchamp

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Originally Posted by killer_kill

we do have alot more equity when called when we have KQs compared to KTo or something?

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08-12-2010 , 12:41 PM

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qazikm2000

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Originally Posted by Okerchamp

we do have alot more equity when called when we have KQs compared to KTo or something?

Yes I don't have pstove open but kqs has like 8% more equity than KTo in this spot.

I don't think its the best spot in the world cuz he 4xed it but KQs is just too strong of a hand to fold in this spot and we can't call imo.

Therefore I jam.

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08-12-2010 , 01:25 PM

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PokerBreed

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just out of curiosity why did u make it 6050 with 83 chips behind instead of just shoving?

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08-12-2010 , 01:44 PM

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KDolla83

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I think it would be a pretty standard re-steal if villain did'nt 4x. People usually don't fold when they 4x and his range is alot more narrow than if it was a normal 2-2.5x open. KQs does have decent equity when called but I don't think it's doing very well against villain's 4x range here.

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08-13-2010 , 12:14 AM

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killer_kill

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Originally Posted by Okerchamp

we do have alot more equity when called when we have KQs compared to KTo or something?

Yeah, of course we have more equity. But the point of restealing is that we're banking on villain folding as opposed to calling and needing our equity. We're more hoping villain folds since most of the time he gets it in with us we're usually behind.

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Originally Posted by PokerBreed

just out of curiosity why did u make it 6050 with 83 chips behind instead of just shoving?

If I had to guess. I'd think it's what people do to make it seem like it's a regular 3bet vs people multi-tabling and might misread the hand as a regular 3b and not essentially a shove and fold hands that might get in if they know they see 5 cards after that.

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08-13-2010 , 01:17 AM

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ShipItMehr

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yeah what furo said......4x raise is slightly alarming and 20% steal is really not as aggro as you may think. like 30%+ i really like the 3bet. Also is the large 4x preflop raise standard for him? How much has he raised in other pots?

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