Poker Stars $20.00+$0.80 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t125/t250 Blinds + t25 - 6 players
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BTN: t1410
Hero (SB): t2355
BB: t1317
UTG: t4698
MP: t2140
CO: t3080

Pre Flop: (t525) Hero is SB with J J
3 folds, BTN raises to t1385 all in, Hero calls t1260

According to SNG WIZ I should fold even KK in this spot with the pushrange of the BTN at 19.7%.

How on earth is that possible? I am begin to wondering if SNG WIZ is useful for DON SNG's

Folding JJ there is the right move IMO. You're 3rd in chips at the bubble.

It's not your job to bust people. Make the other shorties do their own dirty work.

BTN's range should be very wide. If he's shoving 20% he's probably shoving wide enough to make this a call. In the 20s, even the fish shove really wide here.

this seems a standard call considering button range.
How can you analyze DON with SNGWIZ? i can't make the program read that files.

Does it really matter if his range is that wide here? Your goal is to survive not to get chips.

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I don't see how you can fold this. Your M is ~4. You can only last 4 more rotations before you blinded out. If one of the shorties double, your ****ed. I don't think your finding a better spot and I don't think you going to be able to shove wide to pick up blinds to stay alive as other people are going to call wider that JJ.
I rather take my chances and call here where were prob. a fav.

I could be wrong, but I just don't see folding here. I understand it but don't see how it could work..

Think I would fold, if you get beaten here you almost got no chance to get in the money.
You have the 3th chipstack now, just wait for another player get eliminated.

Seems like a nobrainer fold. We are in a good chip position and we dont need to accumulate any more chips for atleast 2 rounds before we need to do something + we have a pretty ok seat on this table stackwise. I fold.

Your outlook on the coming hands is grim, to say the least. Other people are (at the present situation) going to blind out before you do, someone might randomly bust out, you might get great opportunities to pick up blinds.. maybe even a walk sometimes.

The view that "I have to call, or I'm basically screwed" is an exaggerated version of what you're saying, but amusing none the less considering our excellent situation in the tournament. I think the chances of cashing are OK even if we call and lose.

Yes, we are significantly ahead of BTN's range. I'd call if I hate button (basically if he spites me) or I have some other reason to play suboptimally. Calling is by no means terrible, though.

Yes, I understand now that it is a fold.

thanks for the comments. did learn something

Of course it matters if it's a +EV call. I never meant to say this exact spot is a call, a lot of time you will have someone shoving the 60% or so needed for you to call in this spot.

OK, so first set the calling range for BB if you fold. When I set it up it defaulted to 28% or something, so I set it down to 10%, and I think that's still too lose. Then set BBs overcalling range if you call. That is one I really can't even venture a guess at but 5% {TT+,AQ+} looks... uh... maybe right.

OK, now open up plot and look at the pretty picture. Set it to JJ call Diff% and Button push 1410. If he's pushing less than 55% of hands, it's a fold. For something interesting, look at the plot for BB Push 1317. Notice that the scale is actually bigger than it was on the plot for your action outside of some really tight Button pushing ranges. That means your read on BB's calling/overcalling ranges is actually more important than your read on Button's pushing range.

Why the increase in folks starting to use "M" in STT?
Is that mentioned in Moshman's book or something?

an ICM calc is going to underestimate your equity when you fold here imo, seems like a pretty trivial fold to me.

I would've called here, but after reading this I think I'm going to change my position... great post and replies.

People apparently think Harrington is the authority on SNGs.

No, just when ante's are in effect "M" works better.

But I'm probably wrong...

True big blinds (tBB) are better than M. Take 2/3 of the antes and add them to the BB and 1/3 of them added to the SB.

Slim pickens, I've herd the turn before but never really knew. Thanks for the advice.