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/180s - push/fold: taking every spot vs. preserving image /180s - push/fold: taking every spot vs. preserving image

03-28-2011 , 09:41 AM
I've been trying to improve my push/fold game recently after realising just how ridic tight I have been pushing and I'm struggling to find the sweet spot. I've been mostly using sitngo wiz + my own reads of how $2/180 players tend to call, considering both randoms behind me and regs.

The results are pretty surprising, in 90% of cEV push/fold spots it seems like I can profitably shove any two from the CO onwards and at least 50%+ from MP. I've seen videos on training sites where people won't push even close to that wide and I'm wondering if I'm missing something major here.

It could be that your opponents call way looser at mid-high stakes or they adapt to your wider pushing ranges quicker/better so by passing on some slight +cEV shoves you preserve your image and get to make more bigger +cEV shoves later. In the 2/180s though it doesn't seem to matter if I shove 3-4 hands per orbit, people still refuse to call me without some kind of A8+, 77+ type hand.

Should I continue taking every spot as it seems to work and might be the best way to get value from the 2/180s or should I tighten up a bit to improve the EV of my clear +EV shoves? What do other people think?
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03-28-2011 , 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by liamof
Should I continue taking every spot as it seems to work
yes

Last edited by furo; 03-28-2011 at 09:52 AM. Reason: one word is enough, cause its that simple. :)
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03-28-2011 , 10:01 AM
Play like a NIT early on/Pre ante, just play premiums, ABC Solid poker post flop...And then follow this push/fold ranges.
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/n...chart-full.jpg
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03-28-2011 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Potamito
Play like a NIT early on/Pre ante, just play premiums, ABC Solid poker post flop...And then follow this push/fold ranges.
http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/n...chart-full.jpg
Those are the nash ranges from kill everyone right? It should be more profitable to shove wider than that since your opponents will not call optimally, usually too tight. You open yourself up to be exploited by regs or spite called by randoms but that doesn't happen often enough to make it a worse strategy I think.
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03-28-2011 , 10:29 AM
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it seems like I can profitably shove any two from the CO onwards and at least 50%+ from MP.
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I've seen videos on training sites where people won't push even close to that wide and I'm wondering if I'm missing something major here.
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In the 2/180s though it doesn't seem to matter if I shove 3-4 hands per orbit, people still refuse to call me without some kind of A8+, 77+ type hand.
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Should I continue taking every spot as it seems to work and might be the best way to get value from the 2/180s or should I tighten up a bit to improve the EV of my clear +EV shoves?
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Those are the nash ranges from kill everyone right? It should be more profitable to shove wider than that since your opponents will not call optimally, usually too tight. You open yourself up to be exploited by regs or spite called by randoms but that doesn't happen often enough to make it a worse strategy I think.
It seems to me you´re asking the questions and already knows the answers.
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03-28-2011 , 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Potamito
It seems to me you´re asking the questions and already knows the answers.
I wanted to start a discussion about something I have been struggling with. I'm sure other regs have thought about this too and I wanted feedback on my reasoning and some other points of view. I already have a pretty good idea about how to be profitable in the 2/180s but I know I can be winning more and am trying to figure out the best way to do that.
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03-28-2011 , 12:00 PM
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I already have a pretty good idea about how to be profitable in the 2/180s but I know I can be winning more and am trying to figure out the best way to do that.
Volume, volume, volume
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03-28-2011 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by liamof
Those are the nash ranges from kill everyone right? It should be more profitable to shove wider than that since your opponents will not call optimally, usually too tight. You open yourself up to be exploited by regs or spite called by randoms but that doesn't happen often enough to make it a worse strategy I think.
I think the real answer here is
Spoiler:
suprise
Spoiler:
it depends


There are a trillion threads like these, but you really need to dig into it by finding spots that confuse you, do hh reviews and do the math for specific situations to find your "holy grail". One obvious push in spot x might not be so obvious the next time you're in a similar one.. savvy?

In general terms of 2/180s - yes you should push wide(r) as ppl tend to call too tight - just how wide? Go back to that spoiler again...
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