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 180 BVB T9s facing SB Shove  180 BVB T9s facing SB Shove

02-13-2009 , 09:43 AM
SB is very aggro.

Is this a call?


Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t1000/t2000 Blinds + t200 - 8 players - View hand 37670
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MP1: t5132 M = 1.12
MP2: t31784 M = 6.91
CO: t15064 M = 3.27
BTN: t7584 M = 1.65
SB: t12833 M = 2.79
Hero (BB): t7913 M = 1.72
UTG: t2631 M = 0.57
UTG+1: t13379 M = 2.91

Pre Flop: (t4600) Hero is BB with T 9
6 folds, SB raises to t12633 all in, Hero...
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02-13-2009 , 09:58 AM
Fold
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02-13-2009 , 10:20 AM
Looking at the chip counts looks like 2 tables left, I think this is a call all day. Don't get a pay jump for a long time and you're getting a great price. If this were a FT with 2 shorter stacks you could maybe argue for a fold but not here.
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02-13-2009 , 10:37 AM
oh he has 4BB's left. Hmm probably i'd still fold. Depends though if he shoves 2/3 hands it is a call
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02-13-2009 , 10:43 AM
we have less than 3bb's with the SB + A to pay next hand I am snapping this all day
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02-13-2009 , 11:29 AM
Call, but next time shove utg
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02-13-2009 , 12:46 PM
Instasnapcall-with this blinds i even fistpump-villa should shove any2 and will often shove much weaker holdings and evenagaisnt his top holdings you have decent equity - like against pairs and broadways u have 40%-often live cards and with the dead money its so profitable to call.
You have to go for first three, if you consider folding this, its a big leak
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02-13-2009 , 01:17 PM
I have been working on the math part of my game lately so I thought I would try it for this hand, not sure if your tourny life at stake comes into play here with calculations?

If I did this right:

Pot= 4600
You= 5700 behind after posting BB+ante
SB= has you covered so 5700 you can win from him

Total pot= 10,300, 5700 for you to call, so your getting right around 1.9-1 odds.

So at 1.9-1 odds you need 34% equity which I am pretty sure we will have since sb's range should be really wide.

Even if we give him a tighter range i think this is still always a call unless icm is a factor which it isnt. Below is stoved if villian is pushing top 27%, which is any pair, any broadway, and any Ace.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

2,328,733,440 games 0.005 secs 465,746,688,000 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.498% 39.96% 00.54% 930503812 12576328.00 { T9s }
Hand 1: 59.502% 58.96% 00.54% 1373076972 12576328.00 { 22+, A2s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, A2o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }


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(40%)x(10,300)+(59%)x(-5700)= +757 chips

So above is a super tight range for sb, which is still a +ev call to make. We know hes not shoving (probably) that tight of a range though, so below we will do ATC (100%).


Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

8,390,289,600 games 0.005 secs 1,678,057,920,000 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 54.028% 52.38% 01.65% 4394571368 138494750.00 { T9s }
Hand 1: 45.972% 44.32% 01.65% 3718728732 138494750.00 { random }


(54%)x(10,300)+(46%)x(-5700)= 2940 chips, which is an insta slap er ass hi five her
boyfriend +1.5bb +ev call.

So either way, at the tight end of his range or 100% of his range, including anything inbetween those (26%-99%) this is def. a call. This guy would have to be pushing the very top of his range for this to be a fold (maybe). If i did something wrong let me know.
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02-13-2009 , 01:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by erizos17
Fold
Why?
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02-13-2009 , 04:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MountainBum
I have been working on the math part of my game lately so I thought I would try it for this hand, not sure if your tourny life at stake comes into play here with calculations?

If I did this right:

Pot= 4600
You= 5700 behind after posting BB+ante
SB= has you covered so 5700 you can win from him

Total pot= 10,300, 5700 for you to call, so your getting right around 1.9-1 odds.

So at 1.9-1 odds you need 34% equity which I am pretty sure we will have since sb's range should be really wide.

Even if we give him a tighter range i think this is still always a call unless icm is a factor which it isnt. Below is stoved if villian is pushing top 27%, which is any pair, any broadway, and any Ace.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

2,328,733,440 games 0.005 secs 465,746,688,000 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.498% 39.96% 00.54% 930503812 12576328.00 { T9s }
Hand 1: 59.502% 58.96% 00.54% 1373076972 12576328.00 { 22+, A2s+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, A2o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }


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(40%)x(10,300)+(59%)x(-5700)= +757 chips

So above is a super tight range for sb, which is still a +ev call to make. We know hes not shoving (probably) that tight of a range though, so below we will do ATC (100%).


Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

8,390,289,600 games 0.005 secs 1,678,057,920,000 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 54.028% 52.38% 01.65% 4394571368 138494750.00 { T9s }
Hand 1: 45.972% 44.32% 01.65% 3718728732 138494750.00 { random }


(54%)x(10,300)+(46%)x(-5700)= 2940 chips, which is an insta slap er ass hi five her
boyfriend +1.5bb +ev call.

So either way, at the tight end of his range or 100% of his range, including anything inbetween those (26%-99%) this is def. a call. This guy would have to be pushing the very top of his range for this to be a fold (maybe). If i did something wrong let me know.

bump, comon this needs some love/critiscm
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02-13-2009 , 04:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MountainBum
bump, comon this needs some love/critiscm
love/critiscm .

looks good to me.
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02-13-2009 , 07:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MountainBum
Why?
wasnt paying attention what level it is. Obviously you cant fold there
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