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04-06-2010 , 01:48 AM

mantanna

newbie

Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 19

New to 180's

Down to 15 players or so, think I was 13th or something, is this an ok spot to try and triple up, and have any decent shot to win the tourney?

Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t800/t1600 Blinds + t150 - 8 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

Hero (BB): t8170 M = 2.27
UTG: t5311 M = 1.48
UTG+1: t28478 M = 7.91
MP1: t12345 M = 3.43
MP2: t16685 M = 4.63
CO: t15346 M = 4.26
BTN: t43637 M = 12.12
SB: t21291 M = 5.91

Pre Flop: (t3600) Hero is BB with 8

3 folds, MP2 raises to t16535 all in, 2 folds, SB calls t15735, 1 fold

Thought both opponents had overs, so my cards were probably live.

Even if one player has a small pair, and other has overs, I have enough equity to make the call or pretty close to it?

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04-06-2010 , 02:30 AM

OnaNobis

adept

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 708

fold plz.

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04-06-2010 , 04:34 AM

furo

deviation of equilibrium

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 29,639

pokerstove.com

try some ranges and see if you are 24> % Equity here

hint: you are not and its pure gamble mostly having ~20% 3way

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04-06-2010 , 04:44 AM

daviid

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Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 2,639

fold

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04-06-2010 , 07:56 AM

mantanna

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Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 19

Quote:

Originally Posted by furo

pokerstove.com

try some ranges and see if you are 24> % Equity here

hint: you are not and its pure gamble mostly having ~20% 3way

I did, and that is why I posted the question. It wasn't as pure a gamble as I thought.

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation

1,370,754 trials (Exhaustive)

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
8s9d	35.60%	486,449	4,501
ackc	32.20%	107,112	670,081
ahkh	32.20%	107,112	670,081

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation

1,370,754 trials (Exhaustive)

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
8s9d	27.86%	380,657	3,710
ackc	46.09%	612,852	39,045
ahqh	26.05%	338,200	39,045

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04-06-2010 , 08:01 AM

nicegame

grinder

Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 637

Quote:

Originally Posted by mantanna

I did, and that is why I posted the question. It wasn't as pure a gamble as I thought.

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation

1,370,754 trials (Exhaustive)

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
8s9d	35.60%	486,449	4,501
ackc	32.20%	107,112	670,081
ahkh	32.20%	107,112	670,081

ProPokerTools Hold'em Simulation

1,370,754 trials (Exhaustive)

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
8s9d	27.86%	380,657	3,710
ackc	46.09%	612,852	39,045
ahqh	26.05%	338,200	39,045

Nice hand ranges for your opponents!! What if one of them has TsTd and the other one has 99?

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04-06-2010 , 08:17 AM

mantanna

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Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 19

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Originally Posted by nicegame

Nice hand ranges for your opponents!! What if one of them has TsTd and the other one has 99?

I did think about that too. And it would be a terrible spot. I did fold btw.

My other point/question was...is it time to gamble, as I am so short? Busted like 3 or 4 hands later w 92o

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04-06-2010 , 08:58 AM

nicegame

grinder

Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 637

Quote:

Originally Posted by mantanna

I did think about that too. And it would be a terrible spot. I did fold btw.

My other point/question was...is it time to gamble, as I am so short? Busted like 3 or 4 hands later w 92o

Yes, you should try to steal in the next orbit. Not in the next 2 hands unless you get a decent hand (meaning something like top 50%), because you will probably be caller by the short/big stack, but in one of the next 3 hands.

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04-06-2010 , 09:00 AM

nicegame

grinder

Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 637

By the way, if is not one or a couple of hands what you should put in pokerstove. It's the whole range of possible hands for the first person going all in and for the caller., and see how your hand does against this complete range

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04-06-2010 , 09:03 AM

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furo

deviation of equilibrium

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 29,639

vs ~14-16% and ~6-8% which seems kinda realistic we have ~20-21%

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04-06-2010 , 09:10 AM

#11

borderline

banned

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 4,356

232,425,048,240 games 335.672 secs 692,417,146 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 22.076% 21.83% 00.25% 50738107728 572937750.00 { 98o }
Hand 1: 46.157% 44.60% 01.56% 103656264168 3624503922.00 { 88+, ATs+, AJo+ }
Hand 2: 31.766% 30.18% 01.58% 70156415916 3676818756.00 { 22+, A7s+, KTs+, A9o+, KJo+ }

Hand 1 is 7.1% of hands. Hand 2 is 15.2%

If I'm reading this hand right, we need to put in 6420 chips (1750 of our stack already "gone" into pot with blinds and antes) to win 27,660. If I'm doing this right, we need 23.2% equity to breakeven? 6420/27660 =~ .232

Last edited by borderline; 04-06-2010 at 09:17 AM.

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04-06-2010 , 11:12 AM

#12

nicegame

grinder

Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 637

So is it a call if the hand is suited?

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04-06-2010 , 01:27 PM

#13

bibiscus

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Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 2,002

calling with 89 in a multiway all in is never good.
suited same answer.

the strategy is called push fold here, not call fold ;-)

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04-06-2010 , 01:36 PM

#14

borderline

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calling here with 98s..

77,475,016,080 games 140.625 secs 550,933,447 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 25.728% 25.48% 00.24% 19743068544 189768966.00 { 98s }
Hand 1: 43.883% 42.40% 01.48% 32853248256 1145179368.00 { 88+, ATs+, AJo+ }
Hand 2: 30.389% 28.89% 01.50% 22381709988 1162040958.00 { 22+, A7s+, KTs+, A9o+, KJo+ }

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