Hey. I tried to post this in the MTTSNG section but I was unable to make a new post, not sure why.

I am currently on a downswing playing ($5) 24 man hyper turbo ko's and ($10) 18 man hyper turbo ko's. I'm not sure what to make of this graph, or even if I am using it correctly. Should I be focused on my "display all-in equity line (Yellow) or my "overlay net adjusted" line? (orange) Based on this small sample of a graph, am I getting unlucky? Please help, thankyou!

it's not possible to determine from the information given imo.
high variance and high effective rake games = a flawless player could display the same graph.

Hey asj, I appreciate your response.

Maybe I could get another opinion, or could you elaborate on your response please?

These hyper ko's (being half the buyin for a ko) are a game where I will often be making -ev shoves in order for a chance at a ko. And as chip leader I will be shoving very loose as well, abusing the bubble, etc..

Is this why my net adjusted line is so bad? Surely my all-in adjusted line has to mean im getting unlucky in itself?

Ugh very frustrating, I feel like I keep pouring money into these. FWIW I have always considered myself a sng pro, although now I mostly play cash. On Full tilt Poker, I made a living playing Super turbos, and I had one of the highest ROI's of all the regs who used to play. Those, if you are not familiar, are 10bb starting stack sngs. Normally, I would keep trucking through if my all-ev was up and my money was down, it wouldn't bother me at all. I'm just really not sure with these, and with my net adjusted line being negative, not sure whether this whole venture is -ev..

Also, here is my chips graph. Maybe this will be more accurate? I was told that when tracking spin-n-gos to use chip equity. I'm not sure if I should be using this or my regular graph to track these hyper kos. Thanks

Bump. This is killing me. Thanks

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Here's some updated graphs. Can anyone help me? Thanks.

These things are extremely overraked and just exist for the pure "gambling-fun" of recreationals. I would not grind them and I never saw any PGC or something where somebody actually made good money at it. Maybe some people can, but they can make way more money at other formats, so that's that.

get in like 10k games on this hyper nonsense and then you could see a better picture, but mostly you would go broke if you're not really rolled here.

Urhrenknecht.

Thanks for the reply. Yes I understand they are extremely high-raked, but I see an inordinate amount of fish in these. Just absolute droolers who have no idea about hand-ranking and # of big blinds, let alone ICM.

My question to you is, should I be using All-in equity or adjusted net-amount to measure how good or bad Im running?

Out of the two graphs I last posted, should I be following the first one ($) or the second one? (Chips)

Appreicate it.

1st, never use chips won, use BB won. A steal on a high blind level is like a won all in on the first blind level.

2nd, I have no **** clue, that's why is despise grinding a lot of KO games. I only play KOs when I satellite into a bounty builder since I am way to stupid to calculate any meaningful strategy otomh when dealing with playing a hand at a table filled with more than 2 players that all got different stacks and bounties on them. Even in a starting hand on those hypers, where everyone has the same stack and same KO amount (since it's fixed and not PSKO) I am not like "yeah we do this and that, makes us money" it's more like ah " this could work, but I guess it won't" and then wonder about a negative ROI longterm.

3rd - enemies have no clue. yeah, that's the bad part about it. All those horrible players are "locked" in games, where regs can't make money of em. Did you ever see the players that play beat the clock? I did not even think such players would exist after 2014. But they do, they do a lot. But as we cleared the first week after those things got introduced, a player group consisting only of regs had a combined negative ROI in those. It's just not possible. These are casino/fun games, if they would rake it 50% less, it would be a real nice game for quick sessions etc.

to put it short. Yeah, you might be running bad, but if you would run "normal", your ROI would be so small that you might want to find other games.

yep

lol no one wins from these games except for short term winners (really short term) and the house (pokerstars)

get out while you can

10bb starting
2 minute blinds
SKO
9% rake

I wonder why you're "downswinging"