Poker Stars $15+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t100/t200 Blinds + t25 - 4 players
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SB: t8575 M = 21.44
BB: t3370 M = 8.43
CO: t345 M = 0.86
Hero (BTN): t1210 M = 3.02

Pre Flop: (t400) Hero is BTN with A A
1 fold, Hero raises to t400, 1 fold, BB raises to t2400, Hero calls t785 all in

CO is sitting

I minraised because I expected the aggro BB to shove over and he did.

Is this good or should I just shove? and why?

One of the players told me my play was -EV, but I doubt that. I didnt tell him though.

I'd shove here to avoid unlikely situation that BB just decised to flat and it hets 3 handed.

But if he is really aggro then this should be much better. NH.

Let's hope you get to play "one of those players" over and over again forever more!

I shove and still expect to get looked up light-ish.

Yeah, just shove. Raising smaller looks ridiculous, probably even to droolers. Besides, you probably don't want action that dearly anyway. And yeah, getting flatted would suck.

sorry for bringing math into this, you don't want action here, messing around with an icm calculator, i make your equity around 0.2483 if you fold till short busts, and 0.2947 if you double against the bb in this hand. therefore you need over 84% equity in the all in. just for simplicitys sake, if you knew bb was calling 100%, and sb was folding 100%, KK would be a fold here. but with fold equity, i would say shove KK+ here, anything but shoving is bad though.

EDIT: fwiw, this is the first time i've used an ICM calculator, lol.

EDIT#2: and with an all in vs the big stack you'd need more than 85.6% equity, fwiw i would say the idea behind your raise is -ev, but your raise here is marginally +ev because of the FE you have even with the minraise.

I havent done maths like pompey, but this actually looks like a fold to me. We are ITM in 2 hands and wont change our situation much by shoving, if I had more chips I deffo shove, but here I fold.

Nice level sir.

this thinking is kinda behind why inducing action here is -ev, our situation really doesn't change too much when we double, our equity is less than 2nd place money when we double, but folding gurantees us at least 3rd place.
but ofc open folding here is ridiculous unless you think you'll get called by anything suited + any pair + any broadways by either player then it might be a fold tbh.

I prob shove this and yell "FML!!!!!!!!!!!!" when someone calls with 55 and flops an OESD + 4-Flush on flop.

If you think they will call 23o you should be shoving even happier.

lol

So, your argument brought me to make some math which is kinda rough in such spots and I took numbers like calling ranges out of my ass. End of story is that shoving +0.2%, so I shove now, however FWIW KK is snapfold with my ranges.

sorry, but my math shows this is wrong, if you think you will get called by ATC (which i assume if what you assume if they're calling with 23o) this is a fold.

EDIT: not sure if you even bothered to read my first post, otherwise i'm not sure how you came up with this post.

I read your post, but I don't think you're right, I am using Wiz and it says push is always at least +2.00 no matter what their calling ranges are, and the more they call the better for us. My common sense says that it is obviously slightly worse in reality since CO is sitting out but certainly not worse enough to think about folding AA.

I might be doing something wrong but I doubt it.

Ronni I also don't understand using what ranges make KK fold here, but I am pretty sure that doubling up changes our situation a lot.

never used wiz, is it capable of simulating the fact the CO is satout and guranteed to go out?

also, i'm 'only' ~98% sure my math is correct, it could be wrong, but it's pretty simple, 0.2483 equity assuming we fold the next 3 hands (including this 1), 0.2947 equity if you double against the bb, 0 equity if you lose, therefore you need to be more than a 84% favourite to win here, if you get all in vs the sb, you will have 0.2900 equity if you double, so you need to be more than an 85.6% favourite.

The idea of inducing action here, would be a good one if CO wasn't sitting out. With CO sitting out I'm not so sure and can't be bothered checking with fancy maths.

Also min-raising is a pretty lame way of inducing action to say the least. It also lets a cold-caller get away on the flop, decreasing your EV compared to open shoving.

Great to see someone using an ICM calculator. Picking up the blinds when everyone folds makes a big difference to the calculation, the 84% required would go down significantly.

I never really like to do things like minraise with AA or KK's etc. when im shortstacked...I think just shove....If they are a thinking opponent they might think that you are trapping with a monster and by shoving they wont really suspect anything.

Wtf is up with all these threads about folding AA. Why would you even consider folding AA here? I mean min cashing and having a chance of winning the tourney is a big difference. Im calling here regardless of what wiz says or anyone says but i play to win instead of min cashing.

JUST SHOVE ALL DAY, YOU ARE GOING TO GET CALLED VERY LIGHT HERE TBH IF HE IS AGGRO ANYHOW. (sorry just realised caps on im tired). Also you dont want no min raise bs imvho as if it goes 3handed and they flat its just too dangerous.. nh...

could we please stop trying to outlevel others and ourselves?

if you think you can induce reships by minraising: go for it.
if the blinds are loose/passive/dumb i'd just shove and prevent awkward postflop situations.

+1

there is no way that shoving AA here is -EV. not a real fan of a minraise though tbh... just shove it imo. don't think there is much to it, it is a super easy shove for me.

Nits fold here. You can limp into the money, maybe. but consider this: How many times have you seen a short stack shove and pick up the blinds. Then they get in a coinflip with you or the tall stack and double up. Now they outchip you.

Luck favors the bold! Shove pre, hope for a call from all comers. The shortstack is calling light here, the tall stack is calling light here. Best case, you win a showdown from either, then your shoves carry a little more respect for the rest of the match.

You get a premium hand this late in the tourny approx 1 time in 65. Make the most of it.

Just shove.