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03-13-2010 , 12:38 PM

J0FF4

adept

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 745

Our stack has dwindled and i am looking for any spot to double up.
The shover has a wide range, i know him and know i am ahead of it slightly.
ICM is hating this, should i be patient still?

Would do the good people at 2+2 think?

Poker Stars $15+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t200/t400 Blinds + t25 - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: t1810 M = 2.41
Hero (BTN): t1280 M = 1.71
SB: t810 M = 1.08
BB: t2855 M = 3.81
UTG: t4340 M = 5.79
MP: t2405 M = 3.21

Pre Flop: (t750) Hero is BTN with A

2 folds, CO raises to t1785 all in

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03-13-2010 , 12:56 PM

The Venetian

adept

Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,052

CO shouldn't be that wide here because he should expect a call. He needs to have a hand that has value, so if ICM is hating it, I'd go ahead and fold.

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03-13-2010 , 05:50 PM

ira_in_asia

journeyman

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 354

Obviously you should fold here and any other time said villain is shoving wide

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03-13-2010 , 06:02 PM

Akagi

banned

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 582

I'd fold too.

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03-13-2010 , 06:10 PM

shikari424

grinder

Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 688

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Originally Posted by The Venetian

CO shouldn't be that wide here because he should expect a call. He needs to have a hand that has value, so if ICM is hating it, I'd go ahead and fold.

this is pretty sound advice.

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03-13-2010 , 06:11 PM

JokerArmy

grinder

Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 627

Ace little is the devil....it really is especially when calling off...id fold here and look for a spot where I'm first in.

- JA

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03-13-2010 , 08:58 PM

phaze112

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 524

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Originally Posted by JokerArmy

Ace little is the devil....it really is especially when calling off...id fold here and look for a spot where I'm first in.

- JA

if people behind you are tighter, I'm all in. Blinds are huge, get it in being a favorite people saying wait for a better spot don't realize you only have a few hands left before you are blinded out yourself.

You want to be looking at nash for this situation I am not sure why a good reg suggested ICM.

Last edited by phaze112; 03-13-2010 at 09:06 PM.

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03-13-2010 , 09:41 PM

timeforheroes

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,899

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Originally Posted by The Venetian

He needs to have a hand that has value, so if ICM is hating it, I'd go ahead and fold.

What? Cut off has no fold equity after blinds pass him so is pushing here with almost two (pps, suited connectors, j10+) A7 crushes his range. Short stack is obviously a factor to consider but I'm looking at a fist pump double up here.

Last edited by timeforheroes; 03-13-2010 at 09:49 PM. Reason: range added given someone had quoted me preediting!

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03-13-2010 , 09:42 PM

lastonetowin

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Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 27

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Originally Posted by phaze112

Well ICM is still applicable here, and if you put tighter calling ranges in the blinds then I'm pretty sure it'll say this is a marginally +ev call or close to it.

At the same time you gotta loosen up icm's ranges here because of future situations where u don't get a +ev hand to shove etc.

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03-13-2010 , 09:43 PM

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phaze112

grinder

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Originally Posted by timeforheroes

What? Cut off has no fold equity after blinds pass him so is pushing here with any two, A7 crushes his range. Short stack is obviously a factor to consider but I'm looking at a fist pump double up here.

I wouldn't go so far as say fist pump

but yea that guy is on a really wide range if he any type of decent reg.

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