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, TT, hits set then gets steadily more shaky , TT, hits set then gets steadily more shaky

04-06-2010 , 05:52 PM
Villain was unknown to me, had played 500 games and was a small loser. He was multitabling a few other tables in my set. Thats all I had to go off.

How's my line? I thought about jamming turn, but any straight is never folding obv, and by flatting I keep his bluffs in for the river.

The river is pretty gross there is obv no value in jamming, and can't fold my set - figuring there's still plenty of 2pairs in his range here!

Poker Stars $15+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 9 players
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BTN: t1500 M = 50
SB: t1500 M = 50
BB: t1500 M = 50
Hero (UTG): t1500 M = 50
UTG+1: t1500 M = 50
UTG+2: t1500 M = 50
MP1: t1500 M = 50
MP2: t1500 M = 50
CO: t1500 M = 50

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is UTG with T T
Hero raises to t70, UTG+1 calls t70, 6 folds, BB calls t50

Flop: (t220) A 7 T (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t100, UTG+1 folds, BB calls t100

Turn: (t420) K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t280, BB raises to t560, Hero calls t280

River: (t1540) J (2 players)
BB bets t340, Hero calls t340
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04-06-2010 , 06:03 PM
Any stats on villain? The fact they're multi tabling and a loser only makes this hand more clear cut without stats...

Flop bet seems ridiculously small. I mean given we have two of the tens and the dry flop we're only really getting called by aces and other broadway crap (if villain is bad) so why not bet more? (They're folding everything else to a small bet as much as a bigger bet anyway)

I would say bet more flop then shove turn after the donk min raise. Obviously villain thinks their hand is the nuts on the turn but given the facts I would imagine that they think AT/AK/AQ/Ax is the nuts

Your logic 'by flatting I keep bluffs in by the river' is a little out - nobody ch/min raises the turn as a bluff. They have a hand that they think is the nuts and I doubt are ever folding...

As played I guess we've got to call the river since the only hands with a Q in them that would check min raise the turn are AQ and JQ. AK, AT, A7 and Ax are just as likely making the river a call.
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04-06-2010 , 06:11 PM
Bet more on flop, dunno if it is some kind of slowplay or what but you are only missing value and asking for trouble.

Not shoving turn is a real disaster imo, he pays you off with many worse hands, and even if he semibluffs you want to avoid guessing game at river.
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04-06-2010 , 06:14 PM
shove turn all day
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04-06-2010 , 06:19 PM
hero BETS flop! hero SHOVES turn! and yes i'm aware you "bet" the flop i guess call river but puke.
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04-06-2010 , 06:22 PM
I bet more on the flop and insta shove turn.
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04-06-2010 , 06:28 PM
I bet the flop small because tards just can't resist 3 betting their A-x when they see a "weak" bet, and that allows me to get my chips in early since they never fold once they've committed to a 3 bet. On different boards I'd bet more, and of course I'm not arguing that more is bad, it's pretty standard to bet 65-75% pot here....I just didn't here, and I don't think it's a massive error either way whether I bet 100 or 150.
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04-06-2010 , 06:31 PM
fine, shove turn plz wtf why didnt u shove?
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04-06-2010 , 06:42 PM
im playing or i'd go into more detail but seems like really ez shove on turn
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04-06-2010 , 06:45 PM
I don't understand why you lead small to induce a bluff so you can 3bet shove and 'get it in early' and then not take the obvious opportunity to get it in on the turn? Unless you're super scared of the turn card for some reason?

There are too many annoying river cards and too many chips in the pot to not just shove the turn.

Last edited by _Towelie_; 04-06-2010 at 06:51 PM.
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04-06-2010 , 09:02 PM
Get it in on the turn. There's no reason to think he has the straight, and he's happily going broke with two-pair or a set of 7s (or often worse), both of which he might well try to block on this river and which you can no longer do more than call, really.
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04-07-2010 , 01:26 AM
Flop size isn't bad but I like a bigger bet because A) Villians love to chase and hit broadway gutters so why not make them pay a decent amount to hit and B) To make sure stacks get in on the river. Definately shove turn though, the board just got a little wetter and he'll have so many 2 pair type hands with all those broadway cards out.
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04-07-2010 , 03:37 AM
wow I really messed up the turn here, dunno what I was thinking! running bad = playing bad I guess. he had 77 fwiw.
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04-07-2010 , 04:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NJD77
I bet the flop small because tards just can't resist 3 betting their A-x when they see a "weak" bet, and that allows me to get my chips in early since they never fold once they've committed to a 3 bet. On different boards I'd bet more, and of course I'm not arguing that more is bad, it's pretty standard to bet 65-75% pot here....I just didn't here, and I don't think it's a massive error either way whether I bet 100 or 150.
Of course it's not a massive error but also this is the wrong way to think about hands like this - betting for value against a rando donk is waaaaay better than trying to induce, unless you have a read that opponent is an aggrotard. I'm sure you already know this anyway it's just the run bad talking...

Quote:
Originally Posted by NJD77
wow I really messed up the turn here, dunno what I was thinking! running bad = playing bad I guess. he had 77 fwiw.
About the only hand I didnt mention in my post
Happens to us all...
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