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04-27-2008 , 01:35 PM

TeamWalMart

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Poker Stars $15+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t50/t100 Blinds - 9 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

SB: t1470
BB: t990
UTG: t1485
UTG+1: t2550
UTG+2: t1430
Hero (MP1): t1565
MP2: t1765
CO: t1335
BTN: t910

Pre Flop: Hero is MP1 with Q

3 folds, Hero raises to t250, 4 folds, BB raises to t990 all in, 1 fold

I just want to check and make sure this is ok.

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04-27-2008 , 01:36 PM

jd_poker

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This is not okay. If he is restealing with 88+,AJs+,KQs,AKo you have over 40% equity. Even if this is 99+, AKs you have 37% equity.

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04-27-2008 , 01:54 PM

jurrasstoil

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call. even against a reg.

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04-27-2008 , 02:44 PM

TeamWalMart

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well maybe this was a bad hand to use as an example but what if his stack was at like 1500 or so?

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04-27-2008 , 05:44 PM

jd_poker

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Call. You have AQs. MAYBE fold against a reg, but tbh if a reg tried this they are on a resteal and you fare decently against their range so again, call.

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04-27-2008 , 05:57 PM

CheeseMoney

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I don't think you can fold this vs. most regs once opening. AQo might be a little closer to a fold.

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04-27-2008 , 05:59 PM

juandadi

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Originally Posted by TeamWalMart

well maybe this was a bad hand to use as an example but what if his stack was at like 1500 or so?

you would probly have to fold, imo.. and/ have some read on villian otherwise
but hand in example its deft a call...even against a reg...as said b4..

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04-27-2008 , 08:43 PM

drzen

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There aren't many people this would be a good fold against, even if they did have 1500 chips.

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04-27-2008 , 10:31 PM

Doublez-Down

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Just based on pot odds alone, this is hardly ever a good fold. You're getting just under 2:1 on a call, so even if you knew he had JJ you should call, and if you had raised to 3BB p/f, then it would easily be 2:1.

Last edited by Doublez-Down; 04-27-2008 at 10:32 PM. Reason: last sentence

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04-27-2008 , 11:34 PM

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CheeseMoney

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Originally Posted by Doublez-Down

You understand that raising to 2.5 is better than raising to 3 for this very reason, right? I mean, we coulda just raised to 900 and then woulda had an even easier decision by your logic.

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04-27-2008 , 11:48 PM

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SwgCrazy

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Maybe this is an ignorant or stupid question, but why not just all in it? I'd all in every time here pretty much, and if this is a bad play, I'd love to get it closed up.

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04-27-2008 , 11:51 PM

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Kevin8423

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You generally will have players that shove over your raise with a wider range than they will call a shove with, some players also call too frequently preflop with a wide range and dump their hand to a bet on the flop. It also allows you a bit more room to get away from your hand in bad situations.

I used to shove hands like this 15BBs deep and while it isn't terribly bad, it's just not as good as a standard raise.

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04-28-2008 , 12:02 AM

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SwgCrazy

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Originally Posted by Kevin8423

Okay, I understand that, but if you're not shoving, then isn't this a call 100% of the time? If your entire point is to induce a shove, then this is a snap call, correct?

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04-28-2008 , 12:27 AM

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CheeseMoney

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yes, this is a snap call.

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04-28-2008 , 09:52 AM

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Doublez-Down

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Originally Posted by CheeseMoney

You understand that raising to 2.5 is better than raising to 3 for this very reason, right? I mean, we coulda just raised to 900 and then woulda had an even easier decision by your logic.

Of course the more we raise the better our calling odds are going to be. I understand the reason for raising to 2.5 vice 3BB, but it doesn't seem to change the argument much here and doesn't leave us any more of an escape route imo.

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