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11-15-2007 , 07:18 PM
Cbet?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) by Hand Converter CG

CO (t1260)
Button (t1490)
SB (t1480)
BB (t1400)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t2030)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1340)
Hero (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q, Q.
3 folds, MP2 calls t20, Hero raises to t100, 4 folds, MP2 calls t80.

Flop: (t230) A, K, K (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero??
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11-15-2007 , 07:25 PM
What's your plan if you don't? I'd lean toward a c-bet vs. a single unknown, but mix it up occasionally.
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11-15-2007 , 07:38 PM
I actually might do this backwards from normal strat.

If villian is tight, i tend to cbet more than if villian is loose for my overall game, which is the logical thing to do.

However, if MP2 is tight or a nit, he's likely got a K or an A, or he's not going to bluff into us much if we check.

If villian is loose and donkish, he'll be less likely to have an A or K, and will likely fold to a 1/2 pot bet. If he c/r's, at least we know for sure we are beat and get away from QQ fairly cheap. And if we check against a donktard, lots of donktards love to donkbet any turn because we showed weakness.

So i think i check if nit/tight, cbet 1/2 pot if donkish. Hope this isnt me having FPS.
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11-15-2007 , 07:47 PM
Actually I'm surprised here.
I would cbet this never, this is a pretty obvious wa/wb since villain hasn't diamonds often enough to protect.
If checked too, I bet the turn and prolly take some extra value from villains pocket.
Hum generally I'd say cbet makes the hand easier to play but gives up some value.
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11-15-2007 , 07:55 PM
Quote:
And if we check against a donktard, lots of donktards love to donkbet any turn because we showed weakness.

This quote amused me a bit, I realize you like to say donk, and tard, but isn't what you described in this sentence reasonably good poker?

With that said, I check behind on the flop and hope to see a cheap showdown or make a small bet on the turn if he checks. Also I'd probably call a small turn bet if it came to it. Like DannyOcean said a lot of players make a stab on the turn when they sense weakness, but generally they bet too little, like 1/3-1/2 the pot which I think gives away their hand a bit.
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11-15-2007 , 11:04 PM
Check flop/call turn puts you in a rough river spot. I agree that there's very little value in a flop c-bet, but think it might be better than playing chicken on the turn and river.

Who likes check behind flop, turn min-raise?
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11-15-2007 , 11:19 PM
never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever Cbet here this is a classic wa/wb and you have position so you can peel and try to hit a Q,J,T or diamond which will massively improve your equity.
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11-16-2007 , 05:58 AM
c-betting looks really bad here.

Cheap showdown FTW.
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