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11-10-2009 , 05:33 PM

soulsbyc

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Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 545

This spot comes up from time to time. Villain is a random. What do people do here? What about without the caller, are you more likely to flat call the raise? Do we just accept that if the raiser has a bigger pair we are going broke?

Poker Stars $15+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 7 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG+1: t1475 M = 32.78
MP: t1425 M = 31.67
CO: t1775 M = 39.44
BTN: t2755 M = 61.22
SB: t3215 M = 71.44
BB: t1390 M = 30.89
Hero (UTG): t1465 M = 32.56

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is UTG with Q

Hero raises to t90, UTG+1 raises to t150, 3 folds, SB calls t135, 1 fold, Hero raises to t1465 all in, UTG+1 calls t1315, 1 fold

Flop: (t3110) K

(2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t3110) T

(2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t3110) 8

(2 players - 1 is all in)

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11-10-2009 , 05:39 PM

Beerocrat

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Go broke 100% vs randos w/QQ.

Sure, they might have AA-KK, but they could also have 99-JJ, AJ/AQ, sometimes worse

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11-10-2009 , 05:40 PM

Bendik

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Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 670

Min-raises are always hard to handle, but I think I'd play it the same. Playing QQ 3way sucks, and 3-beting commits us, I think.

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11-10-2009 , 05:42 PM

Sharkzilla1

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Looks fine vs randoms.

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11-10-2009 , 06:27 PM

Henjon

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+1 but observe with what type of hand he called. If KK-AA - you know he likes to minraise as some sort of odd trap. If he called with something like AQ, AK, JJ or TT - take a note and be careful next time you get involved in some similar situation with him because now you know that he probably not understand ICM, meaning he will call you incorrectly in spots like this, thereby risking to hurt both of you.

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11-10-2009 , 07:13 PM

rakes

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Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,699

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beerocrat

Go broke 100% vs randos w/QQ.

Sure, they might have AA-KK, but they could also have 99-JJ, AJ/AQ, sometimes worse

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Originally Posted by Sharkzilla1

Looks fine vs randoms.

unless they're a reg, QQ is ahead of their range

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11-10-2009 , 07:26 PM

soulsbyc

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Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 545

Thanks guys. Its just the min-raise that makes this tricky. It often means AA/KK , and it also makes my shove a bit of an overbet. I'd be much happier doing this if he had made it 250.

He had KK, and its one of those spots where you sort of knew it was coming and you feel like you just made it super easy for him by overbet shoving...

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11-10-2009 , 09:13 PM

soulsbyc

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Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 545

I guess sometimes it goes more like this...

Poker Stars $15+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BB: t1530 M = 34
UTG: t1456 M = 32.36
UTG+1: t1534 M = 34.09
UTG+2: t1650 M = 36.67
MP1: t1470 M = 32.67
Hero (MP2): t1470 M = 32.67
CO: t1470 M = 32.67
BTN: t1525 M = 33.89
SB: t1395 M = 31

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is MP2 with Q

UTG calls t30, 3 folds, Hero raises to t120, 3 folds, BB raises to t210, 1 fold, Hero raises to t1470 all in, BB calls t1260

Flop: (t2985) T

(2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: (t2985) 8

(2 players - 1 is all in)

River: (t2985) 9

(2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t2985
BB shows A

(a pair of Nines)
Hero shows Q

(a pair of Queens)
Hero wins t2985

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11-10-2009 , 09:24 PM

dbizzle

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Originally Posted by soulsbyc

I see people do this with any PP and any A probably twice as often as AA and KK. I'm never folding v a random.

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11-10-2009 , 09:34 PM

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Glitlr

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Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 4,682

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Originally Posted by dbizzle

I see people do this with any PP and any A probably twice as often as AA and KK. I'm never folding v a random.

wow i need to get in these games.

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11-10-2009 , 10:02 PM

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soulsbyc

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Originally Posted by dbizzle

I see people do this with any PP and any A probably twice as often as AA and KK. I'm never folding v a random.

Twice as often as AA/KK... would that be enough to make it a shove?

If they do that then fold half of their raggy hands to the shove then i've only got about 50% equity when called, not looking that good.

Anyway i thinks its pretty standard against randoms.

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11-10-2009 , 10:04 PM

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gonzalo86

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Beerocrat

Go broke 100% vs randos w/QQ.

Sure, they might have AA-KK, but they could also have 99-JJ, AJ/AQ, sometimes worse

+1000000

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