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 postflop steal from setmining reg. Too much FPS?  postflop steal from setmining reg. Too much FPS?

07-05-2009 , 06:00 PM
I thought the same myself tbh. I think I add a bunch more hands besides pairs to villain's range, including broadways, but not all that many aces. Regarding raising preflop, while this is certainly another option (because I had already decided to cr flop pretty much right after seeing the limp), I think it potentially creates more problems for us the times he calls. I think we'd be obliged to fire on the flop if we raise pre, which means we're actually risking a bunch more chips. Also, postflop we're risking 250 to win 225 (with a high % that we will be successful). Preflop we're risking 150/175 to win 125, so the risk>reward ratio seems to be higher postflop, and with that I feel comes an attendent higher chance of success, because a cr on the flop shows more strength than a standard pfr imo.

Would I have posted the hand even if I lost? I think so. Would the responses be different like DD wonders? I don't know.
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07-05-2009 , 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Myst
its an image play. If he respects you, good play.
Nice term! 1st time I hear it.
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07-05-2009 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Myst
its an image play. If he respects you, good play.
Well, we only have a couple hundred hands of history, but he will have seen me multitabling with pretty standard early game stats for a multitabling TAG. I'd be gobsmacked if he wasn't using a HUD.
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07-06-2009 , 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Gazillion
Would I have posted the hand even if I lost? I think so. Would the responses be different like DD wonders? I don't know.
Either way, you could have edited out the villain's action after your c/r.
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07-06-2009 , 08:37 AM
If you're going to bluff-raise the flop then bluff-raise pf. Limping here is a sign of extreme weakness or extreme strength for villain. If you feel you're in a prime position to get creative with this villain (which I'm not sure you were), it's always best to do so before you have a chance to get attached to a flop in a some way.
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07-06-2009 , 08:50 AM
I would generally raise this pre every time against this type of villain. However, openlimping CO is so terrible that I would have a hard time categorizing this guys as a thinking reg.
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07-06-2009 , 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by gobao
I just can't see how limping in CO is +EV longterm???? Can anyone practising this move explain it here?
just for setmining but not at this (50) level. hit the set or fold.
but also for Axs if many limpers in front and no raiser expected behind. hit the flush or fold.
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07-06-2009 , 12:48 PM
fwiw villain is 8% over 25k games. I really don't think he can be quite as bad as some ppl are suggesting. My guess - experimenting with raptor limps or misclick through multitabling.
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07-06-2009 , 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Fissshhhhh
If you're going to bluff-raise the flop then bluff-raise pf. Limping here is a sign of extreme weakness or extreme strength for villain. If you feel you're in a prime position to get creative with this villain (which I'm not sure you were), it's always best to do so before you have a chance to get attached to a flop in a some way.
I disagree with the whole idea of "if you're going to do this, do this preflop". I've already listed my reasons why, but to expand and reiterate:

We can not standard 3x now because then we're offering villain an insane price to call so we have to make it 200. Then if he calls we're OOP and will need to fire again if we want a chance of taking the pot. Too much risk for too little reward preflop. If we feel his plan is to limp/bet any flop, then we get more value out of him by cr'ing the flop for very little extra risk, while conveying a ton more strength at the same time. Given how uncoordinated the board is and the fact that we're in the BB, it's very easy for us to rep 2p+. If he DOES happen to have a huge hand (which I really doubt) then we're sunk preflop when he 3bets us, but if for some weird reason he happens to have KK or QQ here, we can fold him out now that the A has hit.
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07-06-2009 , 01:04 PM
What is a raptor limp? Never heard the term before
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07-06-2009 , 01:16 PM
A move that David Benefield is fond of which involves open limping with a wide range in late position, and then taking the pot down when the blinds check to you on the flop (which they do the majority of the time).
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