Played ok? And do you call river?



PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 16 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (9 handed)

CO (t1560)
Hero (Button) (t1425)
SB (t900)
BB (t1965)
UTG (t1400)
UTG+1 (t1460)
MP1 (t1785)
MP2 (t1550)
MP3 (t1455)

Hero's M: 31.67

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, 10
3 folds, MP2 calls t30, 2 folds, Hero calls t30, SB calls t15, BB checks

Flop: (t120) 7, J, 9 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets t90, 2 folds, MP2 calls t90

Turn: (t300) 6 (2 players)
MP2 checks, Hero bets t180, MP2 raises to t1430 (All-In)

pf mehhhh, flop meh, turn bet i don't like. DONT CALL! no wonder your account is rigged.

I think pre is fine limping behind a limper, people like darinvg do here all the time. I obv check the turn but for that diamond coming off and just think it's worth building a pot for 11 or so outs on the river to hit. But the shove ruins everything.

you're building a pot for 22% tho right. pre is basically neutral i'd say.

pre is ok either way, flop bet - although creative - just check it you're setting up your own confusion. turn, take your free river. snap fold turn as played.

I would like something a touch stronger pre. flop is a check back and I would stab turn if checked to again. as played don't call.

Well play pre and flop, but i prefer to check the turn.
As u play u must fold. in the best scenario you have just 40% chance to win ...
easy fold.

I would prob check behind on flop, i dont want to get reraised of my hand, or building a giant pot with a draw. Turn is an easy fold. With your draw you have 15 outs. So your hand has prob 30 % eq vs him. You dont get the right prize either. Always auto-muck

Hmm what an interesting hand a opinions.

Pre is speculative but seems ok to me if you can focus on this hand postflop.

I don't understand how we can not bet this flop, we are unlikely to get c/r and we are basically buying 2 free cards if we want to, and building nice pot if we hit turn.

I agree we should check back turn, though again I don't think betting is that bad. We don't get reshiped always.

Yes, you're prob right 7castle. We're are basically buying 2 free cards. I just remember all those time they reraised me in same scenario. So im much more inclined to check back.

If flop was something else like an ace high, im always checking back.

Pre - is ok although I'd prolly fold got no probs limping.

If you're going to bet the flop then check back the turn and take the free card that your flop bet earned you.

Personally I'll prolly check back the flop as well, pretty wet flop in a four way pot so I'm not really interested in putting in chips with just a oesd and bd fd.

What everybody's saying:

Preflop: fine, but a fold is fine too.
Flop: fine, buys 1 free card (we have a free turn anyway, we are buying a free river), you have nice equity multiway and you sometimes take it down.
Turn: check back. You are not ahead, you are not extracting value, he is not folding much to bet that is non-strong (and we cant bet really strong because it gets expensive quick, ruins or implied odds etc) and if we check and hit the river he likely going to pay off your bet/check/bet IP because people think those are FOS (or fire with some ******ed half float or whatever).
Turn 2: adjusting for ICMtax you probably need 40/45% here, thats a lot more outs than you have.

Everything is fine until the turn. My only quibble is a personal thing though, because I prefer to play snugger, but I can't see how building a pot can be bad there (but I'm not calling that shove ever, I think). Some of the comments in this thread seem way off to me.

We really dont have as much equity as it seems, board is extremely wet and we only have Queen high. Since it was also a 4 way limped pot hand distributions for villains when we get to the turn are a lot tighter (more two pair + hands in villains range). We have 8 SD outs and a lot of other outs (Q, T, flush outs) - but these other outs could be totally dead for all we know. Like if villain has an unpaired AhXh or AdXd (which would be one of the better range of hands in their range for us to be up against) we're still not even in that great a shape...

Pf is obv fine.

I'd mostly check behind on the flop and then call a turn bet if any and otherwise check it again.
If I'd bet the flop, I'd definitely check behind on the turn, since it will also make him lead a lot of rivers against a potentially made hand, or we just give up without investing too much.

I'd check the flop. You only have 6 outs (that you are comfortable with) and it is very likely that you get at least one call from the 4 limpers with the wet board. Especially at the $16 where you may get called with hands like KQo here. As played definitely check the turn.

I am an idiot, there are 2 not 2 on the flop, so yeah, checking flop is imo better.

this. free cards are good to take sometimes.

You're a bit too willing to put hands that beat you in villain's range and not willing enough to put hands that don't. HTH.

Meh I'm sure there are probably a tonne of hands that we beat but I've always found in a 4 way limped pot these tend to come to the surface less...

I'd be surprised if Queen high (with this monster draw on the turn) is ever a favourite or close enough to +$EV against another hand that came from a 4 way limped pot on an extremely wet board - that was my main point, that hand distributions in limped pots that make it to the turn (especially on wet boards) are usually a very strong favourite against any draw no matter how big the draw is.

As said, i would check the flop, not to build such a big pot with your draw. As played insta muck the turn.

insta muck turn. Maybe try to iso pf? and take it down with a CB. I def like betting this flop after its checked to you, Id say 75% of the time they all snap fold. I kinda like this turn bet because you are taking the initiative to win the pot that you built on the flop opposed to playing your draw as a hit to win hand. The worst case scenario would be for him to raise or ship the turn like he did, but a lot of the time hes folding out weakish pairs and ****, and even if he calls we can still hit our hand. The question is, when we hit how much value can we gain from his range on the river?