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02-01-2010 , 10:12 PM

#26

Moneylover

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Athough we know we can play expoitive if we have info on opponents, I ran both hands in nash caculator to get an idea.
Hand 1, the unexploitable push range is 85.2% and the equilibrium calling range is 81.9%!

Hand 2 equiibrium push range is 100% and calling range is 30.9%, (44+ A2s+ A3o+ K5s+ K7o+ Q8s+ Q9o+ J9s+)

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02-01-2010 , 10:43 PM

#27

JacJacAtk

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Originally Posted by dionysian

not a great spot for nash...

Well, BB is probably going to call wider than Nash if he's a random, so that works against you. You think Glitlr's folding KT or JTs so you can shove ATC? Even if you do, your edge with a random hand is in the neighborhood of 1/5 what shoving the OP hand is worth.

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02-01-2010 , 10:56 PM

#28

dionysian

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Originally Posted by JacJacAtk

i don't really know much about how Glitlr plays, but he could conceivably fold the bottom of his default range if he thought the other players were going to be calling too wide. i think he'd be correct in doing so.

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02-01-2010 , 11:11 PM

#29

JacJacAtk

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OK, I give up, you should definitely fold the hands in OP and start shoving through the short-stack reg to own the randoms.

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02-01-2010 , 11:40 PM

#30

dionysian

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sounds like a plan

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02-02-2010 , 06:24 AM

#31

Monkey Banana

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Even my grandma shoves both without a second thought.

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02-02-2010 , 07:07 AM

#32

michty6

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This is so non-untrivial that MB wasted their 999th post in order to set up an epic 1k poast...

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02-02-2010 , 02:13 PM

#33

ira_in_asia

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Originally Posted by JacJacAtk

These both look standard. Being able to own the bubble with a reg as the shorty on your immediate left isn't exactly massive value.

This to me is the best reason not to fold here. Having a shorty competent reg to the left hurts the situation. I think most of you are underestimating how nitty the players that make it to the bubble are at the $16's. While they may not be folding AK even randoms are still generally playing very, very tightly and certainly tightly enough to make alot of hay in said pwnable situations.

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02-02-2010 , 02:39 PM

#34

Glitlr

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Originally Posted by ira_in_asia

ya but you're not going to have that here. I'm to your left. So you can't rly bvb shove vs me cause I'm so short I almost have to call. If I'm to your right, you can fold to my tiny shove cause then you have 2 future hands of shoving on the medium stacks.

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02-02-2010 , 04:21 PM

#35

The_Admiral

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I think you agree with each other - crossed wires.

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02-02-2010 , 05:02 PM

#36

Deurdy

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35 posts is pretty impressive for two trivial (?) shoves..

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02-02-2010 , 06:15 PM

#37

TwistedEcho

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I think i fold first one if i know the other two stacks are decent, wouldn't fold 2nd.

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02-02-2010 , 06:21 PM

#38

dionysian

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Originally Posted by Glitlr

shoving bvb vs you isn't what is important... it's the other 2 hands each orbit where we shove on the other stacks and they can't do much.

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02-02-2010 , 07:55 PM

#39

Simplicity8

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i'd push with a yin yang and a snickers wrapper on that scrub

fwiw i'd rather fold the 2nd one to pwn it up than the first because of the blind level.. that is if the bb calls a ton there