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 AT On BTN With CO 43/7 Limper  AT On BTN With CO 43/7 Limper

11-18-2008 , 11:30 PM
Poker Stars $15+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t25/t50 Blinds - 8 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

CO: t1630
Hero (BTN): t1505
SB: t1795
BB: t1420
UTG: t1465
UTG+1: t1125
MP1: t1325
MP2: t3235

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is BTN with A T
4 folds, CO calls t50,

The action is to me on the BTN

The CO limper is 43/7


Do you raise here? If not then what hands would you raise here to iso the weak limper.


Oh side question is there a way to get Holdem Manager to give me the HH text or do I have to go into the actual poker stars HH folder and find it each time?

Thanks!
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11-18-2008 , 11:46 PM
I would raise here
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11-19-2008 , 12:15 AM
Raising or folding both seem ok, but I lean towards folding since when we raise in L3, it's going to be a 475 pot on the flop when called, and we have the awkward stack of 1305, so we're c/betting over 1/4 of our stack and even folding some of the time. If you get called twice, then it really sucks.

The reads on the blind matter. The CO is a good candidate to raise against, but if the blinds are at all loose, then more reason to lean towards a fold.
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11-19-2008 , 01:45 AM
What TFG said. Seems to be a bit risky to stick 200ish out there to win 125 at this early stage. If anyone plays back, or flats and you miss, you might have a problem. I just fold.
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11-19-2008 , 02:22 AM
this early on i lean towards folding. if you raise and take the pot down, youre adding 125 chips which is good but you can easily get stuck in a situation like TFG said where you gotta drag your chips into the pot you just dont want to be in
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11-19-2008 , 03:37 AM
clear fold
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11-19-2008 , 03:39 AM
eh, call and play pf against donk with AT in position. sounds good.. He didnt limp utg to fold to your raise I believe and after the raise pot becomes too big for bare AT really.
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11-19-2008 , 03:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Q..
eh, call and play pf against donk with AT in position. sounds good.. He didnt limp utg to fold to your raise I believe and after the raise pot becomes too big for bare AT really.
i hate this play
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11-19-2008 , 03:42 AM
"ok"
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11-19-2008 , 03:43 AM
so then you're going to limp with a8+ here ?

that's a spew
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11-19-2008 , 03:45 AM
Hero has AT not A8, go away.
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11-19-2008 , 03:47 AM
i can read, but if you're going to limp a10 you might as well limp a8 and 9 too...if you aren't raising here, it's a very clear fold...
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11-19-2008 , 03:51 AM
I like limping as well. # of tables and postflop ability matters. Ur not stacking off here much, but u can get some good value when u hit.
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11-19-2008 , 03:54 AM
Playing in position against this 47VPIP guy sounds a good option. Most of the time readless I'll fold it but against this guy it's maybe worth to limp behind
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11-19-2008 , 03:55 AM
i think you can say that about any hand, can't you?

things that should never be done: limping the button ever
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11-19-2008 , 05:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by RYZIES
i think you can say that about any hand, can't you?

things that should never be done: limping the button ever
I always limp my small/mid pp t20 and t30 on btn...
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11-19-2008 , 12:17 PM
i like limping
a 47 vpip guy is calling your pfr like 100% and SB/BB could wake up with a hand and there's nothing i hate more than making it t200 and folding
keeps the pot small
allows sb to complete with worse Ax , that we might get value out of.

i limp the btn with a pretty wide range here tbh
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11-19-2008 , 12:29 PM
Ryzies, et al, enough with the blanket garbage statements. Please provide something substaniated if you are going to derail the thread with blanket statements.
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11-19-2008 , 06:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by th1986
allows sb to complete with worse Ax , that we might get value out of.

i limp the btn with a pretty wide range here tbh
And you never know where you stand if an Ace flops and there's 4 or 5 in the pot and you have A T. You could lose a lot more than the 150 - 200 anyway.

Button limping with Ax in multi-way pots is a big no-no for me as:
1. you're unlikely to hit because others are limping Ax
2. if you do hit, you don't know where you are as another limper can easily hit two pair or have you out-kicked
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11-19-2008 , 06:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aussie Rhino
And you never know where you stand if an Ace flops and there's 4 or 5 in the pot and you have A T. You could lose a lot more than the 150 - 200 anyway.

Button limping with Ax in multi-way pots is a big no-no for me as:
1. you're unlikely to hit because others are limping Ax
2. if you do hit, you don't know where you are as another limper can easily hit two pair or have you out-kicked
I agree. I could see MAYBE limping behind with ATs but not with ATo. If there is any heat and I don't have a FD or SD to go along with my top pair, mid kicker. I realease it.

Most of you guys are not paying any attention to the blinds. If they're loose aggressive, even limping ATs is a no no for me but if they're loose passive or tight passive then ATs MAY be worth a limp against donk as long as we know the blinds will come along.

Raising is out of the question as well. There is no point is spewing your chips for a small pot early against a donk with a marginal hand. I certainly think we can find a better spot.

FWIW, I generally don't like to limp behind only 1 limper, even on the button. I like to see at least 2 ahead of me limp that way I know it's going to be atleast 4 to the flop when the BB checks.

Rules:
1) Must be in mid to late position
2) Pot unraised
3) At least 2 limpers in ahead of you
4) Hand has monster potential

You've got 2 of 4, let it go.
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